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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by tinman.

Originally posted by Paul
I don't want to offend anyone by pluggin up this PureBasic Forum with PureVision related discussion.

I'd like to but your site seems to have been down since last night (about 14 hours now).

Besides, I doubt you'd offend anyone - it's not like you are monopolising the forums, and PureVision is something like what people are continually asking for.


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It's not minimalist - I'm increasing efficiency by reducing input effort.
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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Paul.

Alright Tinman, to answer your questions...

Could you supply a demo exe of PureVision which shows off all it's features (especially "Group Gadgets for Fast Moving & Sizing ")? Or at least more than the demo code supplied.

That is what is on the PureVision website, the complete program with only save and export missing. If you spend a little more time with it instead of just a "quick play", you will find that this application is quite functional and very good at what was made to do.

Grouping gadgets is as simple as putting a check in front of them.
Then you can move and size the entire group at once.

What installer toolbox did you use to create the installer program (if any)?

Install Maker by ClickTeam

Apart from that I had a very quick play with it and found the following:
- For some reason the text gadgets had a different background colour from the window.

This is so you can easily see the height and width of your gadget on the form without having to pull up the gadget properties.

- Having to use the navigation buttons instead of being able to drag the gadgets with the mouse is a hassle.

Of course this is personal preference. I find it much easier and quicker to design professional forms using the navigation buttons or the cursor keys. It is much more accurate.

- So is not being able to highlight a gadget in the form designer (the list of gadgets) window and press the delete key.

This has already been added to the latest version. And with user support, you will find even more features and functionality as this product grows.




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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by tinman.

Originally posted by Paul

Could you supply a demo exe of PureVision which shows off all it's features (especially "Group Gadgets for Fast Moving & Sizing ")? Or at least more than the demo code supplied.

That is what is on the PureVision website, the complete program with

Doh. I just re-read what I wrote and it wasn't what I meant to ask I should have wrote "Could you supply a demo exe with GUI created in PureVision which shows off all its features".

Grouping gadgets is as simple as putting a check in front of them.
Then you can move and size the entire group at once.

So this is something in the editor and not in your applications with GUIs created in PV?

Thanks for taking the time to answer the questions.


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It's not minimalist - I'm increasing efficiency by reducing input effort.
(Win98first ed. + SP1, PB3.40)

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Paul.

Doh. I just re-read what I wrote and it wasn't what I meant to ask I should have wrote "Could you supply a demo exe with GUI created in PureVision which shows off all its features".

Were you unable to compile the "Demo.pb" file located in the "PureVision\Demo Files" folder?
I just assumed anyone interested in PureVision already owns PureBasic and can compile the files themselves.

The demo files show what the exported code looks like and how to quickly and easily incorporate it into your own apps.


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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by tinman.

Originally posted by Paul
Were you unable to compile the "Demo.pb" file located in the "PureVision\Demo Files" folder?
I just assumed anyone interested in PureVision already owns PureBasic and can compile the files themselves.

Yes I was able to try the supplied demo code, but I thought PureVision would be capable of more.



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It's not minimalist - I'm increasing efficiency by reducing input effort.
(Win98first ed. + SP1, PB3.40)

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Paul.

tinman, exactly what are you looking for?

PureVision does everything it claims... it allows you to quickly and easily design forms for use in your applications. It then exports PureBasic source code to include in your application, allowing them to display these forms at any time with a single command.

The forms made are only as good as the peson making them
The demo is a simple example of how to use the exported code in your own application. Are you looking to see more comlicated forms? Just look at the PureVision interface itself... it was entirely created in PureVision. (doesn't that sound odd)


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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by tinman.

Originally posted by Paul
Are you looking to see more comlicated forms?

Yes.

Just look at the PureVision interface itself... it was entirely created in PureVision. (doesn't that sound odd)

OK, that's the kind of example I was looking for

Thanks, again.


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It's not minimalist - I'm increasing efficiency by reducing input effort.
(Win98first ed. + SP1, PB3.40)

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by gnozal.

Seems to be great, but : it is sad one has to pay for a tool that should have been included in the Purebasic package.

Sorry, I had to say it ! But I like Pb even without it.
Maybe waiting for a freeware PB-Vision ?

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Rings.

Originally posted by gnozal

Seems to be great, but : it is sad one has to pay for a tool that should have been included in the Purebasic package.

Sorry, I had to say it ! But I like Pb even without it.
Maybe waiting for a freeware PB-Vision ?

NOP.For example PowerBasic has NO visual Desginer included, you have to pay for(and its expensive $99 or more).VB is a bit more difficult, coz you cannot create a Window without the IDE.RapidQ's Designer is crap and its a Interpreter.

And there a free alternatives for PureBasic downloadable; look at the resourcesite.

We should increase price for Purebasic to 74 Euro and include PureVision.

(or increase up to 100 Euro and include some more Toolz and libs , a PRO-Version with all missing Stuff written by ThirdPartyVendors like Danilo )


Its a long way to the top if you wanna .....CodeGuru

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by fred.

PB will probably have a built in visual editor, but it's not my priority for now.

Fred - AlphaSND

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Kale.

Great app but i've listed a few annoyances you may (or may not) like to address in a later versions?

1. I can not seem to to minimise the main app, it kinda gets in the way of my desktop.
2. Panel gadgets always seem to start on tab3 instead of 1?
3. also in Panel gadgets, once all but 1 tab is deleted, you can not seem to add any more?
4. The form window always seem to reposition itself after any operation.
5. Spin gadgets seem to dis-join when moved (a click of the refresh window button cures this though).
6. any operations seem to resize ImageGadgets to default size.
7. The properties flags when checked jump to the top of the list in the properties panel.

These are just a few things i've notices while having a little play with it, don't get me wrong though its an awesome app! I will definately be buying it, i love the group resize and moving and love the precision moving using the arrows instead of the mouse. Great stuff!

--Kale

New to PureBasic and falling in Love!

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Paul.

Hi Kale, to answer some your your comments:


>> Panel gadgets always seem to start on tab3 instead of 1?

All gadgets are given a sequencial temporary name/number until you assign a proper Name


>> also in Panel gadgets, once all but 1 tab is deleted, you can not seem to add any more?

This is a limitation of the first release. Remember, this is version 1 (and growing)



>> The form window always seem to reposition itself after any operation.

If you resize or reposition with the move/size keys or buttons then all changes are saved. If you just drag the window, changes are not saved.



>> Spin gadgets seem to dis-join when moved (a click of the refresh window button cures this though).

I'm still trying to get an answer from Fred on this one. It seems that this gadget is made up of 2 seperate gadgets... and PureBasic's move command only affects one of them


>> any operations seem to resize ImageGadgets to default size.

The images default size is used unless you check the box labeled "Resize Image", then it will always you the size you specify.



>> The properties flags when checked jump to the top of the list in the properties panel.

Hope to fix for next version.



The more support we get for PureVision, the better we can make it !!




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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Kale.

thanks paul, again Great work!

--Kale

New to PureBasic and falling in Love!

fred wrote:Nice program Paul !

After creating Purebasic, and the group of followers that use and respect his work so highly, this must be a flattering statement to the creator of PureVision.

PB wrote:I don't want to pay $15 x 4 just to
use the one app...

Me either.

Paul wrote:Sorry PB but that complaint falls on deaf ears here
If a person is using 4 different PC's then he is running 4 copies of Windows which runs at about $150 each for XP Home. That comes to $600. If you have not bought a license for each copy... that is of course illegal...

Microsoft is commited to the philosophy that each asset should be exploited to the fullest, and by force, whenever possible. Coincidentally, they are also responsible for "creating their own" group of followers.

Paul wrote:Regardless I am not charging $150 each, it is a very low $15 and is a very productive application.

(no comment)

fred wrote:...PureBasic use an User based licence, not a computer based license which sounds more logical to me. Microsoft try to make as money as possible and force the upgrade when chaning computer. That's their choice, not mine. I find the fingerprint stuff very annoying, but, once again, it's my point of view...

It would appear to me, PureBasic is an extremely productive application, and still, no per workstaion surcharge. Interesting to me; charging a single person for the same product repeatedly may not be considered unethical by some, but it is unethical (or at least thats the reason it is illegal in this country) to charge a person more than once for the same crime.

Fact is; It is the multiple workstations that offer the single user increased productivity, NOT the single application made available to each of their workstations.

If I am to respect one who would exploit the single user in the slightest, and then on top of that, one who claims resposibility for increased productivy based on that users own hardware investment, then the one I must respect most is one who does not.

mom wrote: 8O Just because Billy got away with it doesn't mean it's right...

purevision licence has change to 1 licence per user long time ago

btw this topic is very old latest was done at december 2002
you can see date at the top of each post