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FreeThought wrote:

freak wrote:I don't see any good reason why any information in this forum would have to be hidden from the public.

those how use cracked or stolen version, will not have the full benefit of the forum.it may encourage some to buy the genuine one.

Read my and Rescator's replies, both will give a good reason why to keep the forums open for everyone.

When it comes to registering (so one can post) on the forums though, I would not have any issues with restricting that to PB customers.
But reading should be public yeah.

EDIT: thamarok has a good point though, Demo users is an issue, but then again, they haven't paid so should not expect "free" (by posting questions) help officially.

But then the popularity and famousness of PureBasic will sink down if new users can't get help. If I would be new here I would like to know if it is possible to do what I want before purchasing the product.

I think the forums should stay open. Try a better CAPTCHA first if bots are the problem.

thamarok wrote:But then the popularity and famousness of PureBasic will sink down if new users can't get help. If I would be new here I would like to know if it is possible to do what I want before purchasing the product.

totally disagree, demo user , will have their questions answered in the open forum. only cracked version user will argue such point.

FreeThought wrote:those how use cracked or stolen version, will not have the full benefit of the forum.it may encourage some to buy the genuine one.

That won't neccessarily work, from experience with Armadillo, people that to use cracked/stolen/pirated versions of a program generally already know that getting support for it is unlikely or iffy. If they are willing to accept that, then blocking them from the forums won't change anything.

Rescator wrote:When it comes to registering (so one can post) on the forums though, I would not have any issues with restricting that to PB customers.

The problem with that is, if a legitimate evaluator has a problem and can't get an answer, he's more likely to go somewhere else than to gamble his money on something he doesn't know will work for him.

Freak,

Do these forums require that you validate your e-mail address before you can post? If not, that might be a good way to stop the bots from posting their crap here. On the Armadillo forums, you are not allowed to post messages until you register and validate your e-mail address and we have no problems with bots posting spam on our forums.

your analogy with arma doesn't hold for purebasic, for the following.

1- arma is protection , and not programing lang., you only need the protection, not the logic or ideas , which the needs arise more often.

2- arma is cracked everywhere, can easily get new release almost instantly.
the need for support isn't really that important to the user.

The opinion that really matters will be fred's. He will probably value our input and I'm sure he'll give weight to what freak thinks also.

In the end I hope he makes the decision he believes will maximize revenue for PureBasic, which will benefit the entire PureBasic community.

As I mentioned, the deciding factor for me purchasing PureBasic was SEEING the value of the forums - I could only guess about the value of IBasic, since I wasn't permitted full access.

I don't like the spam posts any more than anyone else, but it's not stopping me from using the forums. The mods do a pretty fine job of keeping it to a minimum.

If someone has a pertinent topic like security or cracking or the love life of Russian women, he or she can set-up a restriced forum somewhere else and mention the topic in a post here. If there's sufficient interest, and the mods don't feel it's spam, people will go there and discuss it.

just mho. not wanting to start an arguement.

cheers

freak wrote:I don't see any good reason why any information in this forum would have to be hidden from the public.

Im not asking to hide to public the code discussions, tips & tricks, etc. But maybe some kind of material (like anticracking talk) could be nice to have it in non public.

Whats the problem to open some restricted section?

I mean, keep all the forum like it is until now, just ADD a new section restricted to PB registered users (not forums registered users) to allow some kind of security discussion.

FreeThought wrote:your analogy with arma doesn't hold for purebasic

I would agree with you except this discusion isn't about PureBasic v. Armadillo, its about whether these forums should or should not be restricted to registered PureBasic users.

rsts wrote:The opinion that really matters will be fred's.

Yup.

rsts wrote:As I mentioned, the deciding factor for me purchasing PureBasic was SEEING the value of the forums - I could only guess about the value of IBasic, since I wasn't permitted full access.

Agreed, I too looked IBasic, but the IBasic forums being accessable only to IBasic customers made my look, very brief. For me it was a big "turn-off".

If you need a private forum, why don't you just create one ? Then you can set the rules as you wish.

This is a public forum. I don't see why we need a private section for those
few who think what they have to say is too sensitive for others to read.

btw, what makes you think somebody who bought PB can be entrusted with
this, but everyone else can't ?

freak wrote: btw, what makes you think somebody who bought PB can be entrusted with
this, but everyone else can't ?

What i think is that leaving open some codes, tips, etc. allow that anybody with a google search can find it... still cant see whats the problem with opening a restricted area... but ofcourse you can say "only my opinion counts" like you did before.

ricardo wrote: but ofcourse you can say "only my opinion counts" like you did before.

where did he say that?

cheers

> but ofcourse you can say "only my opinion counts" like you did before.

Of course i can... this is not a democracy
Thats not the point here though. As you see i am not the only one with this opinion.

I understand what you want, but i just don't see it as a good enough reason to
lock people out of parts of the forum and create the impression that this
is some elitist circle where you only get in when you pay.
The forum is a main advertisement base for PureBasic and, as others here,
i think that this would do more harm than good.

So, present more reasons and I may well change my mind.
Otherwise, well your only chance is to convince Fred or Berikco and have them kick my butt

I really don't mean this as offensive, but in the end its our (the admins) opinion that
counts, not yours. So you will have to present some more reasons if you want to get this through.

I understand your point about this is not a democracy, no feeling about that.

Now... my point about the restricted area is simple:

As many people here are releasing shareware or selling their software, it will become natural to talk about tips and techniques to avoid piracy, etc.

Discussing that in a open forum is not a very good idea. So my suggestion was to open a restricted section of the forum devoted only to 'security' (antipiracy, anticracking, etc) stuff. At the end, figth against cracking is fighting against certain people attempts to cheat us, and its common sense (at least for me) trying to avoid that those people read what are we doing to figth them...

But if you are not agree, okay, no problem.

*BTW, what many coders could think about this is not that relevant, because maybe they don't sell their software.
I think some people here have this need to do something about piracy, even if many don't.
Its not a question to make a poll, but something to evaluate because SOME coders here have this need.