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Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 2:21 am
by Beach
Joakim Christiansen wrote:Well good luck Inf0Byt3!
I would never throw away Windows!

It might not be a bad idea to have Windows 98 or 2000 running in a QEMU (or similar) virtual machine. That way you can still code in Windows if you need to. I have the opposite scenario on my laptop - XP with PureWinLin (Debian on QEMU).
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 2:33 am
by dagcrack
Well.. If the rendering is done in the GPU now, then all the GUI graphics are in the GPU. I take that as a fact, so thats why you have more free ram now...
It's not necessarily like that, but it should be (its slow to move data to the gpu's ram, because its slow ram, but once its there.. it's all fun baby!).

Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 3:19 am
by USCode
To paraphrase The Terminator:
"You'll be back..."

Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 3:36 am
by dracflamloc
Go away you sell-outs
Hehe, jk. In all honesty the reason I really like linux the fact that even if MS were to go under we could still have computers that work. Its not just free price-wise, but free as in freedom and insurance against future problems.
Even if you don't like linux as it is now. You should support it for what it means and *can* be in the future. Or at least some open system like BSD, etc.
Anyway, depending on the program windows will run faster. Much of this is because of the intimate incestral tie between IE and the system and all the other mess that is windows coding.
Also, if you want a faster linux you may want to consider a different distribution. Mandriva is one of the most bloated linux distros out there. Its pretty nice, but there are more appropriate distros for your type of system. Mandriva tends to come with lots of unnecesary features loaded up, like cron, and other daemons. Debian is a great lighter-weight system which is considered by many to be the most stable linux distribution. (That and slackware)
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 3:49 am
by dagcrack
But Not as newbie friendly though.
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 4:04 am
by Joakim Christiansen
USCode wrote:To paraphrase The Terminator:
"You'll be back..."


Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 4:10 am
by Dare2
dagcrack wrote:But Not as newbie friendly though.
True.
dracflamloc wrote:You should support it for what it means and *can* be in the future.
What it needs to be now is more compatible with itself, I think. Too many linux-es (what is the plural?) and portability between them can be problematical.
I think that the MS successor will be something other than linux. It will make it very easy for apps running on windows to be ported, so it gets a quick and necessary shot of actual functionality and is attractive to someone with zillions of dollars (or even hundreds of dollars) tied up specialist and out-the-box software.
Edit: Note to self - see how ReactOS is doing these days.
To be fair to windows...
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 4:26 am
by Fangbeast
People knock Windows and Linux all the time but both have their strong points. The reason why Windows is good for beginners is that a gazillion drivers are loaded (or stored on the local hard drive) for just about any hardware out on the market so it's almost too easy to install and run. This is at a sacrifice of speed and memory and storage space but, that's what most people want.
Mandriva Linux is going down that path.
In General (that I have seen), all Linux distributions (And that includes Mandriva!!) have the ability to precisely tailor themselves to the user's exact hardware setup gaining them the speed, memory and space they crave but how many have the required experience to do this? Very few sadly.
For Windows 2000 and XP, there are now excellent products to do what Linux has always been able to do, to a point. The first one is called called XPLITE that allows you to rip things out of your installed windows that you don't need and the second one called NLITE that allows you to build a minimal installation cd so you don't install what you don't want in the first place!!
I love Linux but with these tools available to me to 'Jenny Craig' my system, I don't have to force my old brain down that path. It's too much work!
be warned though, recompiling a Linux Kernet to suit your hardware takes some extreme knowledge of what you have got. As does using XPLITE and NLITE to custom rip a windows system. There are no easy answers. Easy takes RAM!! Easy takes Gigabytes!
One other note..
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 4:33 am
by Fangbeast
For a windows system, you can use Nlite to build a customised Installation CD with a gazillion drivers on it so you can bloat windows even more. Or, you can build a minimal installed with only the drivers you need for your hardware. Not quite the same as recompiling a linux kernel but very nearly the same effect.
There are up to 3.2 gigabytes of addon driverpacks available for the Nlite integrator, excellent for system builders. Anyone who is into building custom boot cd's for windows should take a look.
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 11:42 am
by Inf0Byt3
I don't want to get back to Windows!!! Not even close. Not even Fred takes my license away

. That doesn't mean that i'll visit my friends more often to play some games on Win

. I had to try lin and got in love with it...
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 12:47 pm
by dracflamloc
Welcome to the club of the free world =)
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 2:06 pm
by Nik
Yeah, btw it's absolutely normal that linux seems to take nearly all ram thats because it prefatches it to make it available faster. So nothing to fear.
Don't know what you mean with GPU rendering though if you are not using XGL which is very alpha state you won't get a hardware rendered gui, and only games will be rendered bei the gpu. I always say Linux has the power under the hood but it looks like a horse wagon when you watch it, so it's maybe a horse waggon going with the speed of light
It also depends heavily on the GUI System you use, Gnome 2.14 is much faster than older GNOMEs and a lot faster than KDE while XFCE beats them all. And if XFCE is still not fast enough you can use fluxbox and your whole windowing system including the startmenu and the windowmanagment app will take less than 2 meg of RAM.
I don't like Mandrake though because it once destroyed my hard drive. Now I am a happy Ubuntu Dapper Drake user. Though you say you can't use anything else because of your VPN I'm sure it's possible with all distros. It may just take a lot of work
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 2:56 pm
by GeoTrail
I bet you'll be back with dear old Windows in no time

Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 3:10 pm
by dagcrack
Hehe From my side, It's either MAC for gfx design and video processing, windows for gamedev or linux for networking.... So I'm happy with all of them, and most of the times with Windows itself.
Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 4:06 pm
by Nik
I personally would like to use Linux fulltime but I must use it to test our client on Windows, So I can only use Linux 90% of the time on my Notebook, also my mum doesn't want me to install both windows and Linux on my main pc since it destroyed my HD when I tried this the last time...