XP on MACs...

PB · Post by PB » Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:24 am

@jroad: You raised some good points.

dracflamloc · Post by **dracflamloc** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:04 pm

But Microsoft didn't want OS/2 to succeed and specifically withheld information from IBM to make thier next versions incompatible with Windows 95 programs and up.

In this case Microsoft may actually want this to succeed...

Nik · Post by **Nik** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:06 pm

I think it's not true that people will use Windows for more than games and a few applications not available for OS X its just that big fat bloatware . And Vista is even worse it takes up 15 gb of disk space on a default installation and moving windows is not smooth on a Nvidia Geforce FX5950 thats bullshit just that. And the wouldn't have bought a mac in the first place when they wanted to run windows only especially since macs are much more expensive.

Mac OS X on the other hand is fast, nice looking (very important point even though we developers tend to ignore it) and since it has a Unix Mashine underneeth and a build in XServer it's very easy to port *NIX applications to it and it's stable as hell. Another point is that on Mac OS X for Intel developers can safely compile any application with sse3 support and the newest processor tricks because they can be sure that the mashine supports it. That's a huge advantage and since the hardware pool is generally small testing gets a lot easier. I also think that the point about the availability of applications is not very good, there are thousands of Mac OS X applications + the *NIX commandline applications that will most likely just recompile on OS X. There is an application for everything you need and even gmes are available so where is the problem?

NOTE: I am a windows/Linux user and a few days ago I played around with an Intel Mac that brought me to the deciion to buy one on my birthday in july though I could get better hardware cheaper and I buy it because the Operating system seems to be at least 5 years ahead of windows XP. Boot Camp will give me the possibility to use only my new hardware with the nice 20 inch monitor but I think I will only touch windows for developing purposes.

blueznl · Post by **blueznl** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:14 pm

i admit i'm tempted to buy a mac with the arrival of bootcamp...

imagine... working on a mac, and still be able to play guild wars

Kale · Post by **Kale** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:05 pm

All this ralk about Macs made me remember how expensive it is to use a Mac. With windows there are thousands of good free tools and app with an Apple Mac its a different story. When considering buying a Mac consider the extortionate cost of the machine along with all the software you will have to buy!

I have always wanted a Mac at home (i've worked with them for 15years) but the high cost of everything relating to a Mac stops me in my tracks. For example, the other day i wanted to upgrade the internal CD burner drive in a G4 here at work for an internal DVD reader drive. Apple quoted me £250!!!! I told them to &$£$ off and went down town to the local PC world an bought an internal non brand drive for £30, which Installed without a hitch!

Just remember the costs involved.

Shannara · Post by **Shannara** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:04 pm

Hm, Ive been using a mac since 1994 back in highschool. At least back then, MACs were geared towards professionals. Aka Photoshop and Lightwave was only on the macintosh, so was Adobe Premier. Thus it was priced for professionals.

Im thinking nowdays, its completely different

Kale · Post by **Kale** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:18 pm

Shannara wrote:Hm, Ive been using a mac since 1994 back in highschool. At least back then, MACs were geared towards professionals. Aka Photoshop and Lightwave was only on the macintosh, so was Adobe Premier. Thus it was priced for professionals.

Im thinking nowdays, its completely different

Yes for some reason Macs have always been over priced and under powered. They really got a market share in the graphics industry back in the early 90's infact i seem to remember my boss paying £8K for a Mac IIfx (with a 68030 cpu, 1bit graphics, 4mb Ram and 40mb HDD) !!!!

Macs never seemed to move away from 'Professional' pricing. :roll: You try arguing this point with a Mac enthusiast though!

you will be arguing for hours. I always said to my Mac loving friends, if only the MacOS would run on an Intel then you will see performance. I guess they can see for themselves now, but at a price!

griz · Post by **griz** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:35 pm

IMHO, Apple is no better than Microsoft and if you think so, you're just taking the bait.

If Apple is JUST a hardware company, what is OSX? Quicktime? Garage Band?

I prefer the PC platform in that I can tinker with it. I can tear a system down, replace several components, download drivers that exist and basically do whatever I like. On the Mac side of things, it would be very expensive and I may run into lack of drivers, incompatibilities, etc.

That's me though. For others, like my parents, perhaps Mac OSX would be nice. Wouldn't they be better off having Windows skills in today's world though?

Nik · Post by **Nik** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:13 pm

Hehe on the other hand Mac OS X gives you a powerfull c/c++/object c compiler with a industry standard IDE for free. I think things have really changed since Mac OS has a *NIX foundation it makes the mac a really nice platform for power users too and unlike Linux it also has the user friendlieness and style I would really like to have on other platforms.

Nik · Post by **Nik** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:45 pm

Vista has reached the mac too

inc. · Post by **inc.** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:30 pm

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in other
words, Boot Camp will become the boot-up option of choice. And that
can only bode badly for MacOS - I think they've shot themselves in the
foot with Boot Camp.

I totally underline that. Especially they punch those software firms which did support especially for the MAC platform.

If there wouldn't be the professional graphic-design sector , Apple would have been blown away from the surface already, ... ok Im speaking of the german market.

All Advertising agencies, Lithographic/Image postproduction services in here do work on MACs. And in my very humble opinion all that bases on the fact that adobe in the very early 90's came up on the market with Postscript.

Now, all those Services do obtain the rights for Type libraries only for MAC, the employees are confirm with MAC and so on ... thats one part why IMHO MAC wont die that soon at least here in germany.

For Apple it really would be cool if their OS could also run on Intel/AMD PCs so at least they will start earning in selling their OS .. maybe

Nik · Post by **Nik** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:08 pm

I totally disagree with you,
Boot Camp just enables Macs to boot windows, this is nice for people like us who need to develope for windows but honestly there is nobody in the world (and if there would be he/she must be a very stupid person) who bought a Mac to run Windows thats absolute nonsense the hardware is more expensive and not really supirior, the only point in buying a Mac is Mac OS X and the style it brings with it. My Aunt for example owns Macs since years she also worked with Windows PCs but she still hates windows and as every Mac user I know she most often just laughs about us stupid pc users and our problems. You have to understand that most people aren't power users tehy don't want to upgrade their system, they don't care which mashine has more megaherz it has to run and it has to be easy to use and thats what OS X is good in on the other hand it has a powerfull core wich can also server power user needs as I stated some posts ago. So please tell me how you think boot camp should in anyway be bad for Apple it makes switching to macs easier and does allow people to use 1 Computer for 2 environments. I really don't understand your arguments on one hand you say that apple will earn money from selling there os for normal pcs on the other hand you say that everyone will run Windows on their macs....

inc. · Post by **inc.** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:39 pm

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on the other hand you say that everyone will run Windows on their macs....

Where did I clearly mention that? Or did you refer to someone else?

For Apple it really would be cool if their OS could also run on Intel/AMD PCs so at least they will start earning in selling their OS .. maybe

That was my statement.
For apple it would be a choice that the OS gets more market %'s thats all.
So a user doesnt have to switch to expensive hardware just to get into OSx thats all

But Apple maybe still lives in their dejavus from the late 90's when the Clones (Umax i.E.) came up coming with OS9. They made bad experiences and took the licensing of their OS for external Hardware of the market.

So please tell me how you think boot camp should in anyway be bad for Apple it makes switching to macs easier and does allow people to use 1 Computer for 2 environments.

yep, thats a good argument.

but she still hates windows and as every Mac user I know she most often just laughs about us stupid pc users and our problems.

yes thats the other extreme. Im working on MACs since 10 years and on PCs since 5-7 and I never understood that missionary behavious of both apostels. A PC if well configured is stable as a well configured MAC.

Nik · Post by **Nik** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:34 pm

So I think I misunderstood you "tut mir leid^^"
I only thought you are a windows guy because you couted the statement that bootcamp will be bad for Apple

the.weavster · Post by **the.weavster** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:44 pm

Mac switched to Intel because PCs were pasting them on speed?
Mac OSX is stable because it's based on Unix?
Well, why not get a PC with Linux on it?
You could even use Wine for your Windows apps and not have to attend bootcamp.

I'll probably stick with XP because I like it.