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Re: Visual Studio 2005 Express Edition!
Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:08 pm
by PB
> In my case it wasn't just an argument of price
My comment was just a joke.
Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:19 pm
by inc.
At least M$ finally did use a good design for promoting their developing stuff. The pages do look fresh and symphatic which makes the visitor at least interested.
But they dont keep it simple as a beginner has to get an overview of that link-jungle in there.
The first 3 seconds count, that is what are the next actions are made of.
Show it complex and the consumers first impression is: That product IS complex.
Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:35 pm
by Jan Vooijs
inc. wrote:
The first 3 seconds count, that is what are the next actions are made of.
Show it complex and the consumers first impression is: That product IS complex.
Exactly why i sticked to PB those first 3 seconds were wonderfull!! I was hooked and is the new version (PB4) the best ever!!!
Who needs a BLOATWARE like: "Visual Studio 2005 Express Edition" you can (and may) not do a thing with it!! read the fineprint it is only alllowed for "testing" purposes NOT to make real programs with it!! (Read commercial apps).
Compare the output of a VS with a lean machine like PB! PB's programs are like 10% the size of those from VS (my experience) and do the same stuff no DotNet needed etc...
Jan V.
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:32 pm
by fsw
Just wanted to mention that effective April 19th, 2006, all Visual Studio 2005 Express Editions including Visual Basic, Visual C#, Visual J#, Visual C++, and Visual Web Developer Express will be free permanently!
There's no time-cap anymore.
Here the official page:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/pres ... reePR.mspx
Here the blog of the Lead Product Manager of Visual Studio Express:
http://blogs.msdn.com/danielfe/archive/ ... 79109.aspx
The FAQ page mentioned above was changed with the new information.
My take: It's just a way to push .NET even more...
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:36 pm
by dracflamloc
Pretty neat. Free is always a plus. I still prefer CodeBlocks though
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:41 pm
by Lyon
Even if they are free, with MS you still feel like you are getting ripped off somehow
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:46 pm
by USCode
fsw wrote:...Just wanted to mention that effective April 19th, 2006, all Visual Studio 2005 Express Editions including Visual Basic, Visual C#, Visual J#, Visual C++, and Visual Web Developer Express will be free permanently!
There's no time-cap anymore.
This is a smart move. And they'd be even smarter to bundle these tools WITH Windows itself.
Linux and OSX both come with free developer tools and looked bad IMHO by charging for theirs.
They should be distributing for free the full Visual Studio Pro tools to, if anything, improve their image in the developer community.
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:40 pm
by Num3
USCode wrote:fsw wrote:...Just wanted to mention that effective April 19th, 2006, all Visual Studio 2005 Express Editions including Visual Basic, Visual C#, Visual J#, Visual C++, and Visual Web Developer Express will be free permanently!
There's no time-cap anymore.
This is a smart move. And they'd be even smarter to bundle these tools WITH Windows itself.
Linux and OSX both come with free developer tools and looked bad IMHO by charging for theirs.
They should be distributing for free the full Visual Studio Pro tools to, if anything, improve their image in the developer community.
Yeah, give us Win98 source code
Free windows, windows alternative!
CODENAME: PureWindows
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:47 pm
by USCode
Num3 wrote:...Yeah, give us Win98 source code
Free windows, windows alternative!
CODENAME: PureWindows
I suppose you want the OS X source code too, eh???
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:38 am
by Dare2