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dracflamloc wrote:hmmm, it would seem that this tool isn't good for much of anything but 10 yr olds trying to learn, and even then I think that learning without a GUI designer is the best way...

I'm sure that the hundreds (thousands?) of companies and people developing solid commercial software in RealBasic will be shocked to learn that it is totally useless

Again, use the best tool for the job. Sometimes that is RB, sometimes it isn't..

Karbon wrote:Again, use the best tool for the job. Sometimes that is RB, sometimes it isn't..

Karbon,
the matter is that most people don't want to learn every basic language syntax, and every language tricks. That should be messy.

Yeah! Personaly I've settled on PHP/HTML/CSS for scripting and web, and PureBasic for Windows (and later Linux/Mac/Amiga) applications.
Hopefully I'll become as good with PureBasic as with PHP,
I have no intention trying to learn yet another language,
I'd rather bug Fred into adding features, or code my own solutions using PureBasic

Psychophanta wrote:

Karbon wrote:Again, use the best tool for the job. Sometimes that is RB, sometimes it isn't..

Karbon,
the matter is that most people don't want to learn every basic language syntax, and every language tricks. That should be messy.

Knowing multiple languages just comes with the territory these days. If you don't, you're missing out on a lot of work! Of course, everyone has to decide for themselves

If you are a developer then language is just a matter of syntax semantics.

Karbon wrote:Best tool for the job, guys. Don't waste any time being a zealot for this language or that.

..

Good marketing for RB, IMHO.

Agree and agree. Good point and good assessment.

Karbon wrote: Knowing multiple languages just comes with the territory these days. If you don't, you're missing out on a lot of work! Of course, everyone has to decide for themselves

True. I love learning new languages but i stick to purebasic

Karbon wrote: If you are a developer then language is just a matter of syntax semantics.

And knowlegde.. I didnt know there was something as delightfull as purebasic when i was using visualbasic. PB is all free of dependencies, runtimes etc. So its also a matter of oppinion. do you want your progams to be bloaty and need dependancies like m$ .net etc then chose something else than purebasic.
I know you have developed a program using .net to the darksite karbon fallen has! as said in another topic , your PDF-magic tool. I was looking at it pretty interesting, till i saw it needed the .net framework.. Then i chose not to even try the trial as im not sure i have the newest framework [i have the vs.net from 2002 still so its the 1.0 framework] and i didnt want to update it. Also i know bunch of others of my friends and family who doesnt want to download and install that. But its up to you. Im not against .net im just telling that i bet you would have more trial downloads if it was not using h_u_g_e dependencies.... [i know it sounds lame when im running around downloading games that is about 2.4 gb's, but thats the way it is.]

oh and btw, at your pdf magic site: Dont write "Click Here to Download PDF Image Magic Without .NET". I know it can be understanded in 2 ways but i bet most users thinks "Thats the download WITHOUT the .net network" and then they get a 10 mbyte download for a rather small program wich should be more than 1-2 mbyte.

no offence, again I have nothing against .net but some have and some doesnt like it, and some doesnt have the internet-capacity to download 10 mbytes for a trial. It takes a bit time on a 56k modem, thrust me..



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I downloaded the program and i admit it works rather nice

And knowlegde.. I didnt know there was something as delightfull as purebasic when i was using visualbasic. PB is all free of dependencies, runtimes etc. So its also a matter of oppinion. do you want your progams to be bloaty and need dependancies like m$ .net etc then chose something else than purebasic.

That is a programmer talking, not a consumer. Consumers don't care about .NET, dependencies, runtimes, libraries or anything else. They want it to work - they don't care about *anything* else! That is how I've gotten away with writing PDF Image Magic in .NET and providing an 8 meg trial download. 8 megs is nothing to someone that needs to batch convert images into PDFs. You'd never believe the sales figures if I told them to you!

Consequently, I just put up the new version of the web site with a command line version (under a meg - written in C++, no, not visual C++!). .NET was a bad choice for this application as it is far too simple an app to take advantage of .NET's strengths. I wrote it purely as an exercise in .NET and started selling it on a whim. It is selling so well now that I don't want to take it and re-write it in PB simply because I'm afraid to curse it!

Still, it sells extremely well and I don't think the download size is a factor for the majority. Remember that you aren't motivated by the *need* for a utility like PDFIM. People that *need* it will go to great lengths to get it. It works as soon as you fire it up - that is the most important thing.

Regardless of any of that, .NET was not the right tool for this job, but it proves that it works nevertheless!

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I downloaded the program and i admit it works rather nice

Thanks! And my point! If you needed it, you'd likely buy it, .NET and all

The strengths of .NET come with developing larger applications. Database applications full of boring business logic where you can really put to good use concepts like OOP and MVC (Model-View-Control) abstraction..

Now. Go buy kBilling and PDF Image Magic. I don't think you'd be interested in some recruiting software or I'd sell you a couple other product too (but they're written in .NET - eww!)..

*grin*

Karbon wrote: That is a programmer talking, not a consumer.

ok i agree..

Consumers don't care about .NET, dependencies, runtimes, libraries or anything else. They want it to work - they don't care about *anything* else! That is how I've gotten away with writing PDF Image Magic in .NET and providing an 8 meg trial download. 8 megs is nothing to someone that needs to batch convert images into PDFs. You'd never believe the sales figures if I told them to you!

True.. I didnt think of that. Also 30$ isnt that much for an app like this.-

Consequently, I just put up the new version of the web site with a command line version (under a meg - written in C++, no, not visual C++!). .NET was a bad choice for this application as it is far too simple an app to take advantage of .NET's strengths. I wrote it purely as an exercise in .NET and started selling it on a whim. It is selling so well now that I don't want to take it and re-write it in PB simply because I'm afraid to curse it!

Well command line version under a meg for those afraid of .net is a good idea. Just downlaoded it and it looks good.

Still, it sells extremely well and I don't think the download size is a factor for the majority. Remember that you aren't motivated by the *need* for a utility like PDFIM. People that *need* it will go to great lengths to get it. It works as soon as you fire it up - that is the most important thing.

True i dont really *need* and pdfim tool. And yes it works as soon as i launch it..

Regardless of any of that, .NET was not the right tool for this job, but it proves that it works nevertheless!

My point but since it works its good

The strengths of .NET come with developing larger applications. Database applications full of boring business logic where you can really put to good use concepts like OOP and MVC (Model-View-Control) abstraction..

True.

Now. Go buy kBilling and PDF Image Magic. I don't think you'd be interested in some recruiting software or I'd sell you a couple other product too (but they're written in .NET - eww!)..

*grin*

hehe well if i ever need an pdfToImage program ill use pdfim and if i need an invoice program ill take a look at kbilling

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