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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:33 pm
by Num3
The problems you seem to have tell me your controlers are bottlenecking.

When you copy from HD1 to Hd2 all data goes through the (S)ATA controler that explains the speed down.

Do you have any CD-Rom attached to any of those lines?

Remember the maximum speed is determined by the slowest hardware there!

I had to put my DVD drive on a separate channel to get performance out of the HD.

I get a stable 40Mb / sec average speed, and it's just a Barracuda ATA IV drive (used DiskSpeed32 for the test) »»Drive Specs Here«««

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:12 pm
by Berikco
The raptors are fast, 10k rpm, but i got a lot of them failing.... seems they get a little hot.

Do you have a board with PCI-X or PCI-express slots? (the SATA controller must be on 64 bit slot than) Because on normal 32bit pci board, you will not get max speed out raptors.

Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:42 pm
by blueznl
okay, done some more testing, and found a conclusion (not sure i (or you maxtor owner :-)) will like it...

the 6Y080L0 has some issus when doing large maximal speed read write combinations on the same harddisk, ie. copying a few hundred of megabytes on a harddisk to another folder on that same harddisk

the first symptom is a slowly decreasing copy speed, when you start a second copy action on another drive, or keep windows busy enough, the speed picks up again (!)

the second symptom is a very poor performance when run in rain0 (striping)

i've now seen this on three 6Y080L0 (maxtor 80 gb sata) and one 6Y120L0 drive, on two different sets of hardware (different mainboard asrock vs asus, cpu xp2500 vs amd64, and sata controller sil3112 sil3114 nforce3)

the same configs above ran flawlessly running a different harddisk (in this case a wd740 raptor sata)

it's rather sad because i liked the new maxtors a lot, big, fast, and very quiet compared with the previous series... now i'm stuck with a raptor...

takaktakaktkatkaktaktkatkaktaktaatatatakakaka....

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:49 pm
by blueznl
a raptor that just... crashed...

i guess i'm a little unlucky lately :-(

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 1:30 pm
by Berikco
blueznl wrote:a raptor that just... crashed...

i guess i'm a little unlucky lately :-(
I warned you, i installed dozens of them last year, about 20 percent failed within weeks.
It helps if you install them in a case with a 80mm fan just in front of them, like the intel SC5275e case.

BTW, also the 15K SCSI disks fail much more compared to a 10K scsi disk.

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:52 pm
by blueznl
sigh, i'd better prepare then for the worst, where's my ghost... oh... that doesn't work with an nforce3 mb and sata drives... euh... where's my true image cd...

gonna finish this little 45 mb (!) upgrade to office, then do an image, everything i needed is back on the machine

i modified my case last summer, and there's a 12 cm fan at the bottom front side, with the raptor and another wd2000jb in a custom made frame directly in the airflow

done some tests, worst i could do to these two drives was a 30 degrees (with a room temp of 20), ie +10... during a hot summer this could go up to a 40 but then i expect the in-case fans to kick in (temperature controlled)

only time can tell...

one more install and then it's image time!

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:57 pm
by thefool
hmm i have an IBM 40gb hdd and a 200gb Western Digital..
They are pretty close, and i have no fans blowing at them. Well my PSU has 2 fans, on in bottom of it sucking air from PC then one blowing it out.. then i have a blowing in fan under the PSU blowing at the CPU cooler (Of course i have maked sure that it doesnt disturb cpu cooler), and one blowing out in front bottom of cabinet (Not on the side, but directly at front plate blowing the air down under the cabinet)..

It was just an attempt to make a better airflow.. Any ideas how to get an better airflow?

back to the question:

both harddisks are 44°C and room temperature is 20°C.. Is that way to hot?
cpu is 50°C (when not very active, like when im writing now. When playing games etc it only raises 3-4 degrees.) and system is 35°C.

Anything to hot?
btw processor is an 2000+ athlon XP

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:07 pm
by Berikco
Airflow...suck cold air in on the bottom of the case, hot air out on top.
Hot air goes up....
With your design, the air that comes in at the top fan, just will go through the PSU.
The fan at bottom will not get hot air down.
So you better turn the fans 180 degrees....air in on bottom, and let the one that sucks air in and blows to the CPU just blow out..it will be better, just try.
Basicly, in and out fans must be as far appart as possible in a case, or you create an air loop in/outside the case.
Your PSU with 2 fans is a very good design, i also have one like that.

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:48 pm
by thefool
ok thx ill try that :D

some time ago i had an older cpu cooler, the original Boxed one. Also no chassis fans and only 1 fan in psu. The average cpu temperature when IDLE! was 67 degrees! the chassis was about 55 degrees, thats more than my cpu is now!

then i bought new psu & cpufan & chassis fan, that brought cpu down to 51 degree idle and system about 30-35..

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:58 pm
by blueznl
several cases on the market are outright wrongly designed...

what you want is:

1. one large fan (12 cm so) on the bottom front, sucking in cold air, you may add a constant speed controller (zallman) or perhaps a temperature controlled (like those provided by the silentmaxx power supplies)

2. you may consider building a custom bracket directly behind that big fan on the bottom of your case, and mount your harddrives there (it's what i did :-))

3. one power supply backside nearby the top, it doesn't matter if it's a two fan, single fan, with the fan on the back or bottom side

(to be honest, it's probably best if you would use a psu with one fan and a CLOSED bottomside of the psu, but only if no. 4 applies)

4. lots of perforation in the case, roughly at psu height, enough to lead all warm air out (not too low, that would not help at all)

5. a 'fanduct' (a little pipe) leading fresh air directly from the side of the case onto the cpufan may help, but it will make the system noisier and doesn't work with all cooler models, it's not essential

6. if necessary, close of all other holes in the case, except the ones near the top

now, cold air is sucked into the bottom, and builds up a 'column' of cold air, en passant cooling the harddrives

the slightly warmer air reaches cpu height, heats up a little more, then falls out of the case thru the perforation / ventilation holes

the psu fan is necessary for cooling the psu, NOT for cooling the cpu, sucking out HOT cpu air to cool your psu is not gonna' help much, ie. the fans of the psu are going to run even faster

if the cpu gets too hot give the big fan in front a little more juice, it's gonna' be more silent than the psu fan anyway, in fact this configuration may even allow you to use one of those 'fanless' or 'semi fanless' psu's

do NOT mount your drives on top of each other, they are going to overheat, leave at least 2 centimetres or so between them, and try to put them somewhere in the airflow...

i'll post some images of my case later, i just tested it with an amd64 3000 1024 gb 3 harddrives (of which one hot wd raptor) and temperature of the cpu stayed around 40..45 degrees C on maximal load, harddisks ranged from 25 to 39 on maximal load, at a room temperature of approx. 20 degrees

last year summer was pretty hot, i wonder what temperatures will show up this year...

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:23 pm
by thefool
thx ill take a look at it :D

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 10:55 pm
by thefool
turned the fans.. results:

uptime: 1 hour 33 minutes..

cpu: 43 degrees! its lowered +10 degrees!
200gbhdd: 38 degrees! lowered 6 degrees!
40 gbhdd: 37 degrees! lowered 7 degrees!
graphiccard: 37 degrees! lowered 1 degree!
system: 31 degrees! lowered by 2 degrees!


wow that helped :shock:

thx :D

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 11:26 pm
by blueznl
i still think those temperatures are a bit high, do you have a photo of your case? (side picture with ccver off preferably :-))

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:02 pm
by thefool
i can take some later today..
But it has a very thick side so it can be very quiret. Maybe i should buy another case when im buying new hardware in some time..

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:42 pm
by Berikco
thefool wrote:turned the fans.. results:

uptime: 1 hour 33 minutes..

cpu: 43 degrees! its lowered +10 degrees!
200gbhdd: 38 degrees! lowered 6 degrees!
40 gbhdd: 37 degrees! lowered 7 degrees!
graphiccard: 37 degrees! lowered 1 degree!
system: 31 degrees! lowered by 2 degrees!


wow that helped :shock:

thx :D
I told you ;)

These results are good, nothing abnormal high.