It doesn't really matter who wins, these 2 guys have an almost identical voting record, at least when it comes to important issues like going to war. They are cousins to the 9th grade according to Associated Press and even 3rd grade according Reuters. And both are members of Skull and Bones, a secret society based on Yale University letting in only 15 new members per year. This group is into strange rituals with death, skulls, bones and coffins. And that's all in the mainstream media!
And we are to believe it makes a difference who wins? Of course when your main point of interest is whether abortion is legal, or marriage between homosexuals, then there's a difference. But other than that these guys are following the orders of the owners of the military-industrial-media coorpartions who in own everything.
GET INFORMED PEOPLE!!!!
Sorry to get off-off-off topic here, just couldn't resist.
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Remember last election:El_Choni wrote: at what GMT time will the first results be available? Is there any official source in Internet to rely?
November 7,2000: election day.
December 9,2000: The U.S. Supreme Court, in a 5-4 ruling, halts the manual recounts.
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Saying "i don't like either canidate" or "they're both quacks" is the easiest way to cop-out of having a real oppinion... Kerry has time, and time again stated exactly what his plans are... Here's an entire book on his plan if you're interested in the details:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... ce&s=books
All you will hear from the Bush camp (and mainstream media) is generalities to the tune of "This war is good"... "Terror is bad"... or "Kerry flip-flops"... If anybody wants to discuss "flip-flopping", let's talk about why we're at war with Iraq... Is it Osama Bin Laden?... WMD???... 9/11??? Sadam???... Liberating Iraq???...
Which is it? Because we've apparently "accomplished" a "mission"... I can't seem to figure out what though...
It's silly, almost to the point of rediculous, that Bush will talk about "plans" for America... He's been in office for 4 long years and has accomplished nothing positive. He's lost jobs, destroy our once-strong economy, and started this aweful war...
I challange every Bush supporter in this forum to compare the plans of both canadates on a single issue and show everyone that Bush has a better plan... It might be difficult since Bush speaks only in generalities because he has no real plans...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... ce&s=books
All you will hear from the Bush camp (and mainstream media) is generalities to the tune of "This war is good"... "Terror is bad"... or "Kerry flip-flops"... If anybody wants to discuss "flip-flopping", let's talk about why we're at war with Iraq... Is it Osama Bin Laden?... WMD???... 9/11??? Sadam???... Liberating Iraq???...
Which is it? Because we've apparently "accomplished" a "mission"... I can't seem to figure out what though...
It's silly, almost to the point of rediculous, that Bush will talk about "plans" for America... He's been in office for 4 long years and has accomplished nothing positive. He's lost jobs, destroy our once-strong economy, and started this aweful war...
I challange every Bush supporter in this forum to compare the plans of both canadates on a single issue and show everyone that Bush has a better plan... It might be difficult since Bush speaks only in generalities because he has no real plans...
Ok then, here are my opinions:
01. My wife and I are not registered voters. We do not vote for one simple reason. We have a strong belief that voters no longer have any power when concerning national decisions such as Presidential elections. One example: Pres. Clinton. Do you remember who he was running against, and why they lost? How many recounts were there? etc, etc.
02. We would register and vote in a heartbeat if we believed the above were no longer true.
03. I would vote for any president that supported all of the following:
A. They are 100% against abortion. I am 100% against it, since I am truely Pro-Life. Pro life for the innocent child AND the mother. I consider that most abortions are done in 100% cold blood, and should be punished as so.
B. Same Gender Marriages. I am for it. One of my own personal reasons I am for it, is because I am not self-restricted by Religion. I keep an open mind, and do not let such things cloud my judgement (again, opinion!).
C. War. This is a tuffy. From what I understand, Bush started this war "illegaly", without the sanction. Whether this is true or not is something I am not yet ready to research. What I have learned, (so far), the reasons he have given us for starting the war were not true. I have mixed feelings about the war, each conflicting with each other. So I have no solid stance on that subject, yet.
D. We have an enforced Draft at this moment. The catch is, it is enforced in only a few states that I know of. If you want a state job here in Alaska, you must register, the same for Fed jobs. This was not required before Bush's Administration... what gives? I will not have my kids be forced to join the draft (if it becomes required for basic necisities of life) involuntarily. Will move out of the country before that happens.
E. I am all for the USA to be the ultimate power in the world (As I understand it, USA currently hold a "monopoly" in accordance to sheer dominance). As long is it becomes so responsively. Currently, as far as I can tell, it does not.. Listen to deep pocket corps over the people? Right...
F. The current administration shies away from Intellectual Property Violations and the such. I want a president who will enforce and enable a death penalty for such people who willingly infringe on such, no matter the age.
G. If a minor kills a person (in cold blood), I believe that minor should die. I would support a president who supports capital punishment in a society where innocents are not found guilty. Right now, that is not the case (for either). DNA testing should be required and completed for every murder case. I hear the theory that if there are brothers or other such close relations, you cannot tell the difference via DNA. This is 100% false. It currently is a generalization, after a certain time period of CPU usage, and take the result from that. If a computer were to completely compare DNA, from beginning to end, the difference is shown. The only problem now is time and money.
So where I stand, I wouldn't vote for anybody right now. Better to move?
01. My wife and I are not registered voters. We do not vote for one simple reason. We have a strong belief that voters no longer have any power when concerning national decisions such as Presidential elections. One example: Pres. Clinton. Do you remember who he was running against, and why they lost? How many recounts were there? etc, etc.
02. We would register and vote in a heartbeat if we believed the above were no longer true.
03. I would vote for any president that supported all of the following:
A. They are 100% against abortion. I am 100% against it, since I am truely Pro-Life. Pro life for the innocent child AND the mother. I consider that most abortions are done in 100% cold blood, and should be punished as so.
B. Same Gender Marriages. I am for it. One of my own personal reasons I am for it, is because I am not self-restricted by Religion. I keep an open mind, and do not let such things cloud my judgement (again, opinion!).
C. War. This is a tuffy. From what I understand, Bush started this war "illegaly", without the sanction. Whether this is true or not is something I am not yet ready to research. What I have learned, (so far), the reasons he have given us for starting the war were not true. I have mixed feelings about the war, each conflicting with each other. So I have no solid stance on that subject, yet.
D. We have an enforced Draft at this moment. The catch is, it is enforced in only a few states that I know of. If you want a state job here in Alaska, you must register, the same for Fed jobs. This was not required before Bush's Administration... what gives? I will not have my kids be forced to join the draft (if it becomes required for basic necisities of life) involuntarily. Will move out of the country before that happens.
E. I am all for the USA to be the ultimate power in the world (As I understand it, USA currently hold a "monopoly" in accordance to sheer dominance). As long is it becomes so responsively. Currently, as far as I can tell, it does not.. Listen to deep pocket corps over the people? Right...
F. The current administration shies away from Intellectual Property Violations and the such. I want a president who will enforce and enable a death penalty for such people who willingly infringe on such, no matter the age.
G. If a minor kills a person (in cold blood), I believe that minor should die. I would support a president who supports capital punishment in a society where innocents are not found guilty. Right now, that is not the case (for either). DNA testing should be required and completed for every murder case. I hear the theory that if there are brothers or other such close relations, you cannot tell the difference via DNA. This is 100% false. It currently is a generalization, after a certain time period of CPU usage, and take the result from that. If a computer were to completely compare DNA, from beginning to end, the difference is shown. The only problem now is time and money.
So where I stand, I wouldn't vote for anybody right now. Better to move?
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I am no bush fan, I will NOT be voting for him but this quote is pure BS. Our economy was in the toilet before bush was made president by his friends in the high court.PolyVector wrote:He's lost jobs, destroy our once-strong economy
While I think it is good saddam is no longer in power and it was worth every cent we spent, it was not worth one drop of blood from our solders, or the countless innocent Iraqis who were killed or maimed.
I think the mistake bush made was giving saddam the ultimatum. You have to back up your words with action, except maybe when it evolves the horrors of war. I think everyone should be ashamed. The UN even went along with bush's threats of war for awhile. The UN realized the mistake they made and they tried to correct it, they backed out, but it was too late. There would be no stopping bush. The same goes for our congress who at first supported the war. We under estimated saddam. We thought he would crack. Why did he not crack?
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It is completly true that our economy was headed in a pretty crappy direction... Obviously, you can't blame a single person for 100% of our economic problems... You also can't ignore the harm Bush has done to our economy... The last figure I heard was that we're in the worst fiscal position we've been in since 1929...Our economy was in the toilet before bush was made president by his friends in the high court.
Anyways, I think everybody here should keep in mind that the two Patriot Acts take away most of your constitutional rights, and Bush bashing may make you a "terrorist"...
The following are really scary to me:
A: denying a woman the choice of weather or not to have a child.
For the record I am pro choice but I think late term abortions are wrong, if the baby can think, don't kill it.
F: Killing people for downloading mp3s.
I don't know if this is what you meant, but it is what you said.
G: Killing kids for killing kids.
I don't believe in the death penalty when you are killing adults, let alone kids. Think of what happens to the person who has to press the button. Killing is wrong, it will destroy you. Even if it is justified or you are a solder killing your enemy. To kill another person is to kill a part of yourself. You don't have to believe in god to know this.
You may think of me as a hypocrite for being pro choice and against abortion(edit: I meant the death penalty). "It's ok to kill a baby but not a murderer?" or "If you don't believe in taking a human life then why are you for killing babies?" No, I don't believe in taking human lives, It's just my definition of a human life is different than yours. I consider conciseness to be human life. So therefore having an abortion before the fatuous develops a brain capable of thought or turning off the life support of someone who is brain-dead is not the same a taking a human life to me. I can understand how someone who is religious would think otherwise though, and thus we have conflict with no resolution. One of the reasons I think religion is the most dangerous of human conditions, but we can talk about this later.
A: denying a woman the choice of weather or not to have a child.
For the record I am pro choice but I think late term abortions are wrong, if the baby can think, don't kill it.
F: Killing people for downloading mp3s.
I don't know if this is what you meant, but it is what you said.
G: Killing kids for killing kids.
I don't believe in the death penalty when you are killing adults, let alone kids. Think of what happens to the person who has to press the button. Killing is wrong, it will destroy you. Even if it is justified or you are a solder killing your enemy. To kill another person is to kill a part of yourself. You don't have to believe in god to know this.
You may think of me as a hypocrite for being pro choice and against abortion(edit: I meant the death penalty). "It's ok to kill a baby but not a murderer?" or "If you don't believe in taking a human life then why are you for killing babies?" No, I don't believe in taking human lives, It's just my definition of a human life is different than yours. I consider conciseness to be human life. So therefore having an abortion before the fatuous develops a brain capable of thought or turning off the life support of someone who is brain-dead is not the same a taking a human life to me. I can understand how someone who is religious would think otherwise though, and thus we have conflict with no resolution. One of the reasons I think religion is the most dangerous of human conditions, but we can talk about this later.
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Much better, I like this 
A: ok, so you dont deny the woman, but you deny the baby... so which one do you deny? Why do you deny the baby, but not the woman? My side? I believe in the "right to life" when it comes to abortion. So I believe the baby has the right to life UNLESS it will kill the mother, and there is only an option of one or the other. Then the Mother shall live. Why? By denying the child, means killing the child (aka abortion). And.. killing an innocent is wrong... Right?
F: No, Intellectual Property. MP3 is a music format. If you mean copyrighted songs.. then yes. People are purposly committing a crime, and are getting away scott-free. Make examples of a few. Sue them? Thats worthless. Kill them is a better, more permanent solution. Since people are doing this purposely, knowing it is a crime, it's no better then then what? I believe they should be severly punished, or hell.. just get rid of them all together. ... ..
Don't worry, I won't run for president
G: Actually, yes. For those who are not desensitized (sp?) to such violent actions, it affects them more severly then those who are. Death effects everybody. Depending on their beliefs and religions, and up-bringing, will depend on they will react. As for the killing of apart of yourself... that's a belief not embrased by everybody
However, to each to their own
Oops, sorry, for the record, I am 100% against religion. I would be interested in discussing more concerning in religion with you... how about a different thread devoted to this? This is something I really want to discuss with you (and the PB community) ... different thread?
A: ok, so you dont deny the woman, but you deny the baby... so which one do you deny? Why do you deny the baby, but not the woman? My side? I believe in the "right to life" when it comes to abortion. So I believe the baby has the right to life UNLESS it will kill the mother, and there is only an option of one or the other. Then the Mother shall live. Why? By denying the child, means killing the child (aka abortion). And.. killing an innocent is wrong... Right?
F: No, Intellectual Property. MP3 is a music format. If you mean copyrighted songs.. then yes. People are purposly committing a crime, and are getting away scott-free. Make examples of a few. Sue them? Thats worthless. Kill them is a better, more permanent solution. Since people are doing this purposely, knowing it is a crime, it's no better then then what? I believe they should be severly punished, or hell.. just get rid of them all together. ... ..
Don't worry, I won't run for president G: Actually, yes. For those who are not desensitized (sp?) to such violent actions, it affects them more severly then those who are. Death effects everybody. Depending on their beliefs and religions, and up-bringing, will depend on they will react. As for the killing of apart of yourself... that's a belief not embrased by everybody
However, to each to their own
Oops, sorry, for the record, I am 100% against religion. I would be interested in discussing more concerning in religion with you
... how about a different thread devoted to this? This is something I really want to discuss with you (and the PB community) ... different thread?