PureBasic 5.11 is out !

[Blankname]

Anyway, I'm just saying that we don't have the right to make him charge for it, or hire more staff, or do anything. It's his company and his choices alone. If we don't like it, we can move back to Visual Basic or whatever. That's just the way it is.

You are right. The product is generally good, the support here in this forum is good. Nonetheless I see some areas
that could need some improvements. For example handling of bug fixes. This is a very important part of the software,
if you have some thousand customers world wide that use your software every day.
It does NOT mean I want to stop using the product, just see it as a request for some improvements.

Unfortunately I do not have the resources to pay Fred for fixing the bugs in his product as priority bug fixes.

It would be very expensive if one person alone has to pay him for some month. So the idea with sharing the
costs was born, because all users benefit from it. It is what the service & support subscription thing would mean.
This is nothing unusual, many companies with developer products have such a service.

On the other hand, I think waiting for the free-of-charge bug fixes for some month, sometimes years, could be little bit too long. It is just my personal opinion. Could be that I am impatient sometimes.
So with the right resources at hand you are able to get bug fixes asap. If you do not have such resources, you have to wait an unknown amount of time for a fix.

So, at the end it all comes down to a simple request for some improvements, especially for bug fixing. It just would be nice, that's all.

No offense intended! Just a wish for the future of this great product. I hope it is not misunderstood again!


We have discussed some ideas and opinions about this topic here in this thread. We can't do more anyway, so big thanks to all of you!

If the IDE and Form Designer code went open source, and the libs and compiler stayed as is. PureBasic would have potential of becoming one of the most widely used languages for at least indie developers. It's just the mass amount of "unpolished-ness" these two front-ends show that hold PureBasic development back. We could have something as powerful as the Visual Studio form designer environment by now. And when bugs arise, they would get fixed almost daily. With both being written in the same language as the language they are meant for. Every user could compile the public code on their own whenever they want to upgrade. Not only will it improve the usability of the product, but it will also attract new people to the language and spark much needed interest. I mean don't get me wrong PureBasic is great as it is, but it could be so much better if the community could be involved.

[MachineCode]

If the IDE and Form Designer code went open source

The team tried that about 5 years ago. The result was people used the IDE to create IDEs for other Basics. Be aware that people from other Basics also browse this forum regularly. The IDE went closed-source again soon after. Thank the thieves.

[netmaestro]

It's just the mass amount of "unpolished-ness" these two front-ends

The form designer is in the early stages of development, and while you couldn't call it 'polished' at this point it does show promise. The IDE, on the other hand, is very intuitive, easy to use and understand, and quite robust. If the IDE shipped with the PureBasic product is too tobacco-road for you, then indie languages are not for you. The team has done an outstanding job on it and they certainly have nothing to apologize for on that score.

[Wladek]

Can you add ragdoll animation to example code?

[IdeasVacuum]

The form designer is in the early stages of development, and while you couldn't call it 'polished' at this point it does show promise. The IDE, on the other hand, is very intuitive, easy to use and understand, and quite robust. If the IDE shipped with the PureBasic product is too tobacco-road for you, then indie languages are not for you. The team has done an outstanding job on it and they certainly have nothing to apologize for on that score.

+1

[Blankname]

It's just the mass amount of "unpolished-ness" these two front-ends

The form designer is in the early stages of development, and while you couldn't call it 'polished' at this point it does show promise. The IDE, on the other hand, is very intuitive, easy to use and understand, and quite robust. If the IDE shipped with the PureBasic product is too tobacco-road for you, then indie languages are not for you. The team has done an outstanding job on it and they certainly have nothing to apologize for on that score.

Let me put it in terms that your immature attitude can understand. Sure the team is doing a bang up job with that little they got so far. But that doesn't mean the community can't make our own version of the IDE/Form Designer. If you're really that sour over a community driven project than you can just leave, as no one here appreciates that kind of attitude. Bettering a project at no cost is always a good direction for any company. Does this mean they have to open source the current IDE and Form Designer? No! But there should be some serious thought about an open source project driven by the community. Which I know, you know, and everyone else knows would eventually become the main IDE for the PureBasic package. So I don't see why you get upset over someone coming up with better ideas than you're obviously capable of. Run off into the darkness with your tail tucked low little troll.

[netmaestro]

Let me put it in terms that your immature attitude can understand. Sure the team is doing a bang up job with that little they got so far. But that doesn't mean the community can't make our own version of the IDE/Form Designer. If you're really that sour over a community driven project than you can just leave, as no one here appreciates that kind of attitude. Bettering a project at no cost is always a good direction for any company. Does this mean they have to open source the current IDE and Form Designer? No! But there should be some serious thought about an open source project driven by the community. Which I know, you know, and everyone else knows would eventually become the main IDE for the PureBasic package. So I don't see why you get upset over someone coming up with better ideas than you're obviously capable of. Run off into the darkness with your tail tucked low little troll.

I said two things: The form designer shows promise and the IDE is robust. If those opinions are different from what you believe I can understand that, but making personal attacks on me isn't warranted here.

Let me put it in terms that your immature attitude can understand.

You cast aspersions on the IDE. I said it's good. Healthy exchange of ideas here, nothing more.

I don't see why you get upset over someone coming up with better ideas than you're obviously capable of.

I'm not upset in the least!

Run off into the darkness with your tail tucked low little troll.

I expressed an opinion that appears to conflict with your own. Is this really a mature response you're making here?

Btw, there is a robust open-source IDE for PureBasic, it's been around for many years. Called JaPBe, it was written by GPI and maintenance was passed on to gnozal. If you want to contribute to that one or start your own, nobody will be offended. Go for it. But if you're going to say the IDE shipped with the product isn't any good, l will respectfully disagree. And doing so doesn't make me immature, incapable of good ideas, or a troll.

[luis]

Run off into the darkness with your tail tucked low little troll.

I'm dubious about the real efficacy of this statement. Is that a suggestion or an order ?
In both cases the receiving end can simply ignore it and laugh at you with his freedom level unscathed (read: he can continue to do as he please), or slap you if you are physically present in the same room.
Just offering a real frame of reference.

[Little John]

Run off into the darkness with your tail tucked low little troll.

I'm dubious about the real efficacy of this statement. Is that a suggestion or an order ?

Luis, you made my day. Thank you!

[oreopa]

netmaestro, Posts: 6448. Estimated troll level: Highly dedicated.

[blueznl]

Oi, flame alert.

Can someone pass the hash pipe please? We need peace, brothers and sisters...

[GeBonet]

@Blankname...
Blank name, the name already wants it all. Now the troll, at least deserves respect, it has been there every year to support all the editions.
You? You come up with good ideas, the real truth ... This is important, but it lacks modesty and consideration for people like us uneducated and not having your great experience.
Forgive us our ignorance! Best for you might be to mix with real experts in the various laguages ​​visuals, or there is the real skills and real ... AND finally let us in our wading pool in ducks.
We love it!

[Polo]

Guys, let's stop this as it's completely off topic

[Mindphazer]

You're right Polo !
I think everybody here agrees : The Purebasic team is doing a great job !
There are still problems around (Fred, if you are here, don't forget http://www.purebasic.fr/english/viewtop ... 24&t=52063), but Purebasic rocks !!!

[captain_skank]

Yep Purebasic rocks - and it just gets better.

The IDE is perfectly useable ( could do with being able to print code ) but if your not happy with it use JaPBide or use PB to code your own.

The same goes for the Form designer - it's come on leaps and bounds , sure it's not as polished as VB YET!! but what do you expect and again if it's not up to the users standards then use Pureform, Purevision or code your own..

I use PB every day at work and I have yet to find aything it can't do, sure some things aren't as easy as using other languages but it will get the job done and at a fraction of the price.

If anything, I think FRED should change the way users pay tbh, I think a yearly subscription would be a better approach and I'd happily pay each year to renew and pay for continued develpoment.

I'll get my coat