C++ 26 will be a game changer !

[threedslider]

Source here for those who like C++ ^^ : https://www.modernescpp.com/index.php/c ... -standard/

If ever the Purebasic supports to C++ as backend it will be awesome, really !

But of course it is an another history

[Fred]

Could you explain why it would be so good for PureBasic ?

[threedslider]

Because of OOP in C++ provides a clear and structured way to design software. It is essential for managing complexity in large systems and offers benefits like modularity, reusability, and maintainability, which help developers create better code faster.

The force of OOP is reusability and modularity which it doesn't broke the code, it lets to Purebasic to create at large scale in programming and with an interchangeable it makes more powerful than you may think.

Of course it may be complex at first but then that it makes more easily to do in complexity to later. And It opens more to programs as unsuspected to use libs in C++ for Purebasic, I am sure !

But of course it is my opinion and I share you my thought with a proposal very open

[Piero]

Would that allow EASY management of events and inter-applications communication?

You can use javascript for that (I'm being VERY sarcastic here…)

How I miss good old OOP… (I'm not talking about PB)………

[threedslider]

@Piero : Easy management ? Well the C++ supports the procedural programming as well too, it is a multi paradigm programming. C++ is little a bit complex to PB, that is for sure but when you want to create at large scale, the C++ is king. It opens by exchange in backend more powerful and it makes more secure and robust.

In other hand I don't follow you for Javascript, it is an interpreter for web ...

Sorry I am not angaist to procedural programming , I mean making to support for C++ is more choice, more open, more powerful programming so PB + C++ is something great for coders, that is for sure ! Because of PB is so easy but with C++ more easy to create more great programs too !

C++ is an another of philosophy to code by object, it is another to conceive it in mind... Hope for your understanding

[NicTheQuick]

We already had discussions about OOP quite a lot in this board and I think the answer will stay the same.

I think Fred wanted you to describe what the benefits of C++26 are, not OOP or C++ in general.

[Piero]

Hope for your understanding

It's me the one hoping for your understanding
I like "low-level" stuff because you have "more control" (but you must be much more careful………)
What I meant was stuff like livecode or xojo (modern OOP examples you can try, but then to publish your app you must pay a monthly fee or MORE…)
In theory, if you don't need extreme speed, you just need to """code events""" on UI elements (but you can also do threads etc.)
I'm kinda angry… programming stuff didn't really evolve from that; it just became monthly paid (I'm not talking about PB…)
A free project is openxtalk (ex livecode…………………………………)

PS: AppleScript

[threedslider]

We already had discussions about OOP quite a lot in this board and I think the answer will stay the same.

I did not want to change to PB but just adding as extension to C++ that's all. Do you agreed of that ?

I think Fred wanted you to describe what the benefits of C++26 are, not OOP or C++ in general.

Sorry, do you have to read the features of C++ from the link ? It will be to benefit a great stuff for PB if it ever to support it !

[threedslider]

Hope for your understanding

It's me the one hoping for your understanding
I like "low-level" stuff because you have "more control" (but you must be much more careful………)
What I meant was stuff like livecode or xojo (modern OOP examples you can try, but then to publish your app you must pay a monthly fee or MORE…)
In theory, if you don't need extreme speed, you just need to """code events""" on UI elements (but you can also do threads etc.)
I'm kinda angry… programming stuff didn't really evolve from that; it just became monthly paid (I'm not talking about PB…)
A free project is openxtalk (ex livecode…………………………………)

Yes, I do ! But not yet to try for Xojo, Thanks again your sharing info !

[Piero]

yet to try

If you never did, you must try: imagine coding by double-clicking buttons or windows and writing stuff into their EVENTS (like right-click)

PS again: AppleScript (it's not "interface events based" like the above, but IMHO all programmers should know at least something about it, as an EXAMPLE……………)

PPS: what about shell?

[Olli]

We already had discussions about OOP quite a lot in this board and I think the answer will stay the same.

I did not want to change to PB but just adding as extension to C++ that's all. Do you agreed of that ?

I think Fred wanted you to describe what the benefits of C++26 are, not OOP or C++ in general.

Sorry, do you have to read the features of C++ from the link ? It will be to benefit a great stuff for PB if it ever to support it !

Hello threedslider

Sorry, do you have to read the features of subjects of OOP in pureBasic ?

Fred asks you a synthesis about what you target.
Result : no synthesis.
NicTheQuick insists.
Result : no synthesis.

I insist also, now. And I will help you ( = LOOSE MY OWN TIME IF YOU DO NOT GIVE A SYNTHESIS) :
I will give you a synthesis of the features of the subjects about OOP in this forum. Please wait...

[Olli]

Synthesis :

OOP does not alllow to solve complex problems.

So you have two groups of authors :

- the authors which have a good definition of what a complex thing is;
- the authors which have a bad definition of what a complex thing is.

problem #1 : the authors which have a good definition know that a good definition does not exist.
problem #2 : the authors which have a bad definition think, also and consequently, that, as they think that they have a good definition, OOP solves complex problems.
problem #3 : there is no human limit of quantity of problems, I could enumerate here.

End of synthesis

[Rinzwind]

C++ is the ugliest and most bloated programming language ever. All programming paradigm are dumped into it in an ugly way. I don't know why you want to use C++ as example of OOP. There are way better examples. v26 does not add anything that changes the fact that it's specification takes 1800+ pages and every programmer has his own way of doing things. Bad too is that MS makes quite a few new API's accessible through C++ only. And ugly at that too (webview2, of which quite some functionality is missing in PB, like handy stuff like profiles) - or very incomplete (virtual desktop).

[threedslider]

Sorry, do you have to read the features of subjects of OOP in pureBasic ?

Fred asks you a synthesis about what you target.
Result : no synthesis.
NicTheQuick insists.
Result : no synthesis.

I insist also, now. And I will help you ( = LOOSE MY OWN TIME IF YOU DO NOT GIVE A SYNTHESIS) :
I will give you a synthesis of the features of the subjects about OOP in this forum. Please wait...

Oh well and what do you want of the synthesis ? There is no synthesis and I already explain for C++... You know C++ is a programming language so for backend there is a C and so why not to adding to C++ as well too. Purebasic + C is great and if ever it supports Purebasic + C++ so it is almost complete for the target for us the coders... So what wrong about this ? is it bad idea or what ?

[threedslider]

Synthesis :

OOP does not alllow to solve complex problems.

So you have two groups of authors :

- the authors which have a good definition of what a complex thing is;
- the authors which have a bad definition of what a complex thing is.

problem #1 : the authors which have a good definition know that a good definition does not exist.
problem #2 : the authors which have a bad definition think, also and consequently, that, as they think that they have a good definition, OOP solves complex problems.
problem #3 : there is no human limit of quantity of problems, I could enumerate here.

End of synthesis

I don't know follow you this synthesis, sorry

Everything problem in programming CAN SOLVE for whatever to use with your programming language... Only it differs the use and the philosophy from inner working...