Paying For Updates

PolyVector · Post by **PolyVector** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:50 am

I'd be perfectly willing to pay for all major releases... And I'm Mega-Poor!
I worship Fred

kake26 · Post by **kake26** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 6:19 am

gmatthews wrote:All,

Lets face 60Euros per point release is nothing.
I have spent over Â£1,500 on Microsoft Development Kits and find myself preferring Purebasic. Enough said.

Um, 60 Euros is about 90 USD and that is alot man. And as for you're spending all that money on M$. BILL GATES HAS ENOUGH DAMN MONEY! He doesn't need more. Anyhow, ultimately its Freeds choice and some of us aren't super rich yet. I bought PB cause of free lifetime updates. Only after that did I fall in love with PB once I realized its full potential. In end effect I trust the author of PB to do what he thinks is right. And judging from that post I think he's made up his mind already and his reponse is a relief to me. I have reffered several people already all of which have bought a copy of PB. I may once I have enough money, buy a few copies of PB as a gift for a few people.

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Without PB all I have is Free Pascal(FPC)

Paul

swan · Post by **swan** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 6:52 am

I sort of half agree too. A developer has to survive.

But there are better ways to do it. Multiple levels. eg PB standard, PB Pro, PB Expert, whatever. Then upgrade at will, all still lifetime upgrades.

SWAN ...

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:53 am

But there are better ways to do it. Multiple levels. eg PB standard, PB Pro, PB Expert, whatever. Then upgrade at will, all still lifetime upgrades.

i actually don't think that would be better. I hate when there are different types of levels. Only exeption is when there is a free and a purchase one.

I like PB's license system at it is, and thats one of the reasons that i bought PB. But i would hate to have standart and pro and expert and all that shit.

Microsoft and their greedyness is one thing, and then there is such people as Fred.. And i hope that continiues being seperate things...

A lot of free software happens to be great, and a lot of people develop great software for free. Just go to the announcement section in this forum. There is a lot of great stuff there. Not that all are free, but most.
PB is not free, but it has a very fair price. And if you'd like to go supporting the PB team, go buy another license.

wcardoso · Post by **wcardoso** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 6:34 pm

Hey ! gmatthews, please send to M$ a registered copy of PureBasic to teach them how to do a good thing; and send to Fred a donation of â‚¬ 1500 !.
I think Fred gonna been grateful

blueznl · Post by **blueznl** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:51 pm

i've paid a lot on a basic and its upgrades only to see it discontinued, so i'd rather have free updates, but there is a point fred will not be able to continue that practice...

i hope at that moment, he decides on a new scheme, ie. pro users (one time life long free upgrades for a hefty

sum) and (of course

) all existing users are getting a free upgrade to pro user

Shopro · Post by **Shopro** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:08 pm

Fred can change the pricing system any way he wants... as long as the current registered users still have lifetime updates

Maybe selling a seperate library like DarkBasic did. That would be more justifiable, because only the people who want to use the specific functions have to buy it.

But again... there are so many good user libs out there...

-Shopro

Chris · Post by **Chris** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:20 pm

Another solution:

If an user create a interesting library, he can sell it for a low price, (for example,5 euro/$), and send the money to Fred.

When Fred have a lot of money, he can go to the Caribbean islands for the holidays.......or pay us for buying PureBasic.

Simple...no?? :roll:

Chris

Codemonger · Post by **Codemonger** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:55 pm

On one hand the updates were originally advertised to be free ... at least when I bought it. But on the otherhand, to get a better product means someone has to pay for Freds time, and Freds time is worth money. So if he changed his pricing system so we have to pay in the future, I guess we would be paying for a better product ? no ? tough call ... one i certainly can't make. We really don't know what Fred's expectations were when PB 1.0 came out ... It probably wasn't commercially feasible back then, but now

thats a different story. Things change.

Karbon · Post by **Karbon** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:13 pm

I think we all need to stay out of Fred's business and let him decide what the best marketing strategy is for PureBasic

If you want to further support PureBasic, buy more licenses! fr34k tol me on IRC the other day that he is open to donations as well

PB · Post by PB » Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:25 pm

> the updates were originally advertised to be free

Yep, and legally Fred has to stand by this decision. But read on...

> if he changed his pricing system so we have to pay in the future

Those who were promised free updates are legally entitled to them. However,
there is no legal reason the license cannot be changed for future purchasers,
who would therefore have to pay for updates. This is a common practise and
serves to reward the "early adopters" for their support of the product during
its infancy.

NoahPhense · Post by **NoahPhense** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:03 pm

True.

But.

If he wanted to, he could make a "PureBasic Pro" version, that has
completely seperate licensing. While continuing to give out FREE
updates to the "PureBasic" "early adopters" group.

The great thing about the way he has the licensing setup right now, is that
he is not on a time line, he could give you FREE releases at the rate of 1 per 2 years.. lol

Meanwhile, everyone will be running to go purchase the "PureBasic Pro" version.

See Fred, there's 'always' a way.. You just keep the fishing rod in the
water.. let the userbase grow until you've gotten it where you want..

Then it's simple math from there.. <eg>

Even if it was only 1000 users, @ $75 usd.. (nice)

- np

Edwin Knoppert · Post by **Edwin Knoppert** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:33 pm

It's easy to let us pay.
Terminate the PureBasic project.
Restart new project.
The only matter is that you by law must updaqte the old app for 5 years.
O well a fix or so

However, i don't want to pay

I have a product for a few years now.
Instead of going to new version i simply added fee link so users can decide.
I did made a change in the licfile so updating was required but free.
A had to do change + to get the attention..

NoahPhense · Post by **NoahPhense** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:42 pm

Edwin Knoppert wrote:The only matter is that you by law must updaqte the old app for 5 years.

Even so, there is no documented duration on how OFTEN he has to update.

How does once a year sound?

Anyhow, I'm done, was just making a point..

- np

MadMax · Post by **MadMax** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:04 am

Why suddently all this talk about paying more?

Was so happy I found PureBasic, lovely language, and what's more A lang I can easily afford.

Now all this talk about having to pay for upgrades. Is this the end of PB for Hobbiests?

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