Delphi XE2

[jesperbrannmark]

I think we must have different exposure. I never worked in delphi, but seen some C# guys moving to delphi and releasing apps looking like the image i sent.
Its almost like it paints it pixel by pixel and refreshes every millisecond so it looks like a bad graphic scaling joke.
Thats the sole reason I never even tried Delphi.
I am not all correct saying its crap, I know to little about it and there is something out there for everyone; some people want a Manhattan penthouse some people prefer a trailor.

To me Purebasic is the Manhattan penthouse.

[netmaestro]

I just tried Lazarus, created an empty window and compiled... 12mb exe. Same thing in PB is 17k.

[Kuron]

I just tried Lazarus, created an empty window and compiled... 12mb exe. Same thing in PB is 17k.

Lazarus is all the good of Delphi + all the bloat of MS's languages.

To me Purebasic is the Manhattan penthouse.

So you think PureBasic is grossly over priced?

[Kiffi]

I just tried Lazarus, created an empty window and compiled... 12mb exe. Same thing in PB is 17k.

just read the FAQ: Why are the generated binaries so big?

After stripping the unnecessary debug informations out of the
exe the size is only 1.2 mb. And that is IMO acceptable.

Greetings ... Kiffi

[jesperbrannmark]

I bet 1 mb of those 1.2 is the included BMP files for all those graphic scales that gave me the migraine in the first place
Btw. No I don't refer to manhattan flat on price. Just classiness and feel.

[Polo]

I just tried Lazarus, created an empty window and compiled... 12mb exe. Same thing in PB is 17k.

just read the FAQ: Why are the generated binaries so big?

After stripping the unnecessary debug informations out of the
exe the size is only 1.2 mb. And that is IMO acceptable.

Greetings ... Kiffi

1.2MB for an empty project... Not acceptable for me

[Kiffi]

1.2MB for an empty project... Not acceptable for me

Empty projects are always inacceptable. Both in PureBasic and in FreePascal

Greetings ... Kiffi

[Danilo]

Does anyone care about what an application actually does?

Ableton Live 8.5.2 ... 28,6MB
Reason 6 (64bit) ... 58,3MB
Reason 6 (32bit) ... 42,9MB
Cinema 4D R13 (64bit) ... 17,5MB
Cinema 4D R13 (32bit) ... 13,6MB
Poser Pro 2012 (64bit) ... 21,5MB
Poser Pro 2012 (32bit) ... 17,2MB

Hmm... and you care about 2k "Hello world" executables... that's funny.

[Polo]

Hmm... and you care about 2k "Hello world" executables... that's funny.

Indeed I do. If an empty executable is 1.2mb, can't imagine what a big project's gonna be like.

[Danilo]

Full install may be 2GB... the end users don't care if it does its job.

Just checked... my PROGRAMS partition is 136GB, my sound libraries and samples partition 535 GB,
my DEVELOPER partition 69,7GB... forget the 2k "hello world". It doesn't matter anymore.

[srod]

Hey, with my wildly inefficient coding I can manage a 'Hello World' in PB which takes up 120 MB! And that's without trying!

[Shardik]

Full install may be 2GB... the end users don't care if it does its job.

My more than 2500+ end users DO care if they are installing a 2 GB program package or a small often less than 100 KB PB compiled program because our applications are distributed and installed as Zenworks packages over our network. Some branch offices are still connected by slow modem lines. A 2 GB program would need half a day for installation and nobody in this branch office would be able to work during installation...

[Ramihyn_]

It really makes no sense to compare the size of "hello world" executables and extrapolate that without considering that the 1.2MB is mostly the statically linked framework included exactly ONCE into each exe.

People really need to read the Lazarus FAQs about this before commenting here

Consider a Lazarus user testing PureBasic for speed. He runs a tight loop which includes a Debug output and starts that in the debugger with open output window and afterwards post into the Lazarus forum how horribly slow PureBasic is

[DarkDragon]

Full install may be 2GB... the end users don't care if it does its job.

My more than 2500+ end users DO care if they are installing a 2 GB program package or a small often less than 100 KB PB compiled program because our applications are distributed and installed as Zenworks packages over our network. Some branch offices are still connected by slow modem lines. A 2 GB program would need half a day for installation and nobody in this branch office would be able to work during installation...

Then they're doing something wrong: a company letting each computer download its updates for itself is somehow stupid, isn't it? They could connect their computers to a main repository server inside the local network, which downloads updates to the local network and after that it distributes the updates to the other computers.

[Kuron]

Full install may be 2GB... the end users don't care if it does its job.

Just checked... my PROGRAMS partition is 136GB, my sound libraries and samples partition 535 GB,
my DEVELOPER partition 69,7GB... forget the 2k "hello world". It doesn't matter anymore.

Thankfully, PureBasic does not follow your "bloat because you can" theory of programming.