kung fu bear , wow - is this for real ?

[codewalker]

Couldn´t find anything fake in it so far, but a bit of speeding up
in some parts of the movie. Personally I can´t believe this is
for real. What do you guys think of this ?

See it for your self here :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghgg_fuk ... r_embedded#!

cw

[TomS]

Why shouldn't it be for real?
We've seen elephants ride a tricycle and seals play volleyball....

[J. Baker]

Looks like he's playing with a stick to me but thanks for sharing.

[the.weavster]

Bears are all trained in Kung Fu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FARnbRBWKGg

[codewalker]

The point is that this bear isn´t trained ! That is what makes this
bear so amazing in what it is doing with the stick.
cw

[Demivec]

The point is that this bear isn´t trained ! That is what makes this
bear so amazing in what it is doing with the stick.

Most training is actually based on what an animal would do 'naturally' or 'instinctively'. The training usually just combines different actions in a given order with a related cue.

The actions appears to be natural in the video. The bear has been provided with several sticks that are there to indulge its desire to spin and manipulate them. Whether it is accomplishing anything is purely the judgment of the onlookers. The bear is simply entertaining itself.

[Num3]

Yes...

The are forcing all bears to watch this over and over:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdKrP4PBJNo

[blueznl]

OMG! I should stop visiting this section...

[SFSxOI]

I don't believe how gullible some people are. Its fake, to do this bears would need opposible thumbs and bears don't have opposible thumbs and can't get the fine control needed for the catching and other activity (especially the twirls into the air). There may be a small part of it that could be considerd true like the part where the bear see-saws the stick slowly in the crook of its legs, but overall its fake.

[Kaeru Gaman]

you got no idea at all... who needs thumbs when using both pranks?

how boring your live must be, saying "fake" much too early... *pfut*

[Perkin]

bears don't have opposible thumbs and can't get the fine control needed for the catching and other activity (especially the twirls into the air)

@SFSxOI
I used to know a guy who had had both of his hands amputated, he used to be able to use a staff in the same way that the bear was, twirling etc., he used to do a performance in local celebrations.
It was amazing. I wish I had footage, it would put the bear to shame.
(He died over twenty years ago)

So opposible thumbs are not required.

[SFSxOI]

bears don't have opposible thumbs and can't get the fine control needed for the catching and other activity (especially the twirls into the air)

@SFSxOI
I used to know a guy who had had both of his hands amputated, he used to be able to use a staff in the same way that the bear was, twirling etc., he used to do a performance in local celebrations.
It was amazing. I wish I had footage, it would put the bear to shame.
(He died over twenty years ago)

So opposible thumbs are not required.

But you friend has an evolutionary built in capability for quick self learning for adaptation of tool use and instant adpataptive manipulation, so humans can adapt and progress in their own self styled learning path for instant adpataptive tool use because evolution has provided us that. Unless there has been a sudden change in Darwins thory of evolution or there is really a God to perform miracles, bears do not have a concept of tool use AND instant adpataptive manipulation present in humans and other primates from millions of years of evolutionary progress. Besides the obvious slight pause then a change in the twirl direction (if you carefully examine the video slowed wayyy down) while the bear is not actually touching the stick (its just close to his paws but not touching - how does it reverse direction when the bear is not even touching it?). The pause is the missing frame(s) where the video was manipulated for the direction reversal. Then there is the paw and leg movement, at one point you can see the left leg low, but suddenly its up and there is the movement missing in between the low positoion and the up position. There is just so much other stuff in this video thats so wrong to not support such a remarkable advance in evolution. Even your friend had something to compare to his past by having thumbs before the amputation, and he has a concept of tool use AND their instant adpataptive manipulation. Bears have neither.

I've no doubt the bear is doing some stuff, like the see-saw of the stick back and forth on the legs. But the more advanced stuff, its fake. That is of course unless someone wants to come forward now and proclaim that Darwin was wrong and evolutionary progress for instant adpataptive tool use can in fact be trained in or God actually does exist to create such miracles. This whole thing supposes a "Planet of the Apes" sceinario but with bears instead, and that ain't gonna happen any time real soon in the evolutionary ladder of time. Heck, monkeys and apes can't even do twirls and direction reverses without touching the tool (even with) with the precision in this video and they are way more advanced in tool use and needed dexterity then bears. Even most humans have trouble doing it, however, have the capability to learn to do so but even then they have to touch the object unless of course you think the "force" really does exist young jedi.

And besides, if bears could be trained for instant adpataptive tool use, don't you think that someone somewhere would have already said something about that and put their lazy asses to work on an assembly line or something?

The video is a fake. But if you want to believe it then fine, but if you got some money I just happen to have an extra bridge for sale - are you interested?

[Perkin]

@SFSxOI
I didn't say, but I also think the video is a fake, I just wanted to point out that to do this sort of activity, you don't need thumbs, although they obviously would make this sort of thing easier.

One video I wish I still had (lost it when a HD crashed), was one I made myself quite a few years ago (10-12)
It was of my two dogs, both black labradors, they were actually playing catch with a ball, one throwing it up between them and then the other catching it and then throwing it up themselves.

It was amazing, they would continue doing this for several minutes.

[Thorium]

I dont think its a fake. The bear isnt using a tool, it's just playing. It just looks amazing, i dont think the bear actualy trained that, it's just doing it.

There are more videos of that bear existing and it even was in TV news: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poEwkIPKn3w

By the way: My cats can open doors and i dont trained them at all.

[Num3]

By the way: My cats can open doors and i dont trained them at all.

One of my cat's takes a dump in the living room carpet... And trust me, I didn't trained them either...

One of these days i'm gonna find which one is the guilty...

I predict his gonna get a spanking