stability of editor/IDE

Tiuri · Post by **Tiuri** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 3:10 am

Hi all,

I recently downloaded the PB demoversion 3.72. As someone who is new to programming under Windows I like its simplicity a lot, and I am close to buying the full version. The one thing that is holding me back though are the frequent crashes of the IDE/Editor that I am experiencing. Sometimes it is the fault of my own program, but I have had it crashing many times while doing absolutely nothing (just looking at my program) or when performing some actions involving the online help. I am running WinXP Home on a very new PC.

Are other people experiencing the same thing, or is it something about my computer? Can something be done to make it more stable?

Thanks

pthien · Post by **pthien** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 4:04 am

No problems here. Maybe something else running is conflicting w/ PureBasic?

Thanks,
Phil

Tranquil · Post by **Tranquil** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 7:22 am

Hm, no problems here at all. Why not use jaPBe? A great Editor-Mod by GBI. A download link can be found on this forum.

Cheers
Mike

GPI · Post by **GPI** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 8:36 am

>Hm, no problems here at all. Why not use jaPBe? A great Editor-Mod by
>GBI. A download link can be found on this forum.

jaPBe is no mod. Its a complete rewrite of an editor. It based on the original editor, and some codes are nearly the same, but it isn't a mod.

http://caosandkin.bei.t-online.de/purebasic/jaPBe/

and finaly:

GPI! Ther is no b, d or some other char, only GPI.

(Why nearly nobody in this forum writes my name right...)

GedB · Post by **GedB** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 9:26 am

Tiuri,

Personallly I've always been impressed with the stability of PureBasic's IDE. I've never had it crash, even when my own programs, launched
from the IDE, have caused GPF.

How much disk space have you left?

GBH,

You tell em.

LarsG · Post by **LarsG** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 10:09 am

yes, PIG. you tell 'em..

LOL

(just kidding)

Tranquil · Post by **Tranquil** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 6:37 pm

GPI wrote:>Hm, no problems here at all. Why not use jaPBe? A great Editor-Mod by
>GBI. A download link can be found on this forum.

jaPBe is no mod. Its a complete rewrite of an editor. It based on the original editor, and some codes are nearly the same, but it isn't a mod.

http://caosandkin.bei.t-online.de/purebasic/jaPBe/

and finaly:

GPI! Ther is no b, d or some other char, only GPI.

(Why nearly nobody in this forum writes my name right...)

Sorry I misstyped me, could be happen. I thought it was a huge modification of Freds editor. Sorry then.

Mike

fsw · Post by **fsw** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 7:23 pm

GPI wrote: (Why nearly nobody in this forum writes my name right...)

I do 8O

Tiuri · Post by **Tiuri** » Sat Aug 16, 2003 1:46 am

Thank you for all your comments. It sounds like I definitely shouldn't be having those problems.

pthien: Could you give me an idea on what kind of conflicts there could be? Sorry, I am just not very familiar with the ins and outs of Windows.

Tranquil: I will have look at jaPBe

GedB: I just bought a new computer, so I have more than 100GB of disk space left. My configuration is P4 2.8C , 1 GB of PC3200 RAM, 120GB SATA HD, Gigabyte GA-8IK1100 (Intel 875P based) MB.
I vaguely remember another post somewhere mentioning possible problems due to the P4 "hyperthreading" feature?

Thanks again.

Num3 · Post by **Num3** » Sat Aug 16, 2003 8:53 pm

Has far has i know hyperthreading can only be used by software that was written specific for it...

There could be a problem if the compiler by mistake switches on same feature of hyperthreading, but i don't think that happens, or that would mean all software for windows could eventually not run on P4...

Anyway, studies indicate that common software only gains 1% with hyperthreading, and like there isn't any software that uses that tecnologie yet we can't tell if it works...

Another white mammot from intel I supose...

Post by **Berikco** » Sat Aug 16, 2003 9:11 pm

Num3 wrote:Has far has i know hyperthreading can only be used by software that was written specific for it...
There could be a problem if the compiler by mistake switches on same feature of hyperthreading, but i don't think that happens, or that would mean all software for windows could eventually not run on P4...

Anyway, studies indicate that common software only gains 1% with hyperthreading, and like there isn't any software that uses that tecnologie yet we can't tell if it works...
Another white mammot from intel I supose...

mmm i think you don't realy know what hypertreading does?

Intel wrote: Hyper-Threading Technology, which was pioneered on Intel's advanced server processors, helps your PC work more efficiently by maximizing processor resources and enabling a single processor to run two separate threads of software simultaneously.

So all you need is apps with multiple threads, or more than one app running at the same time.

The PureBasic IDE uses only one thread, so this stability problem got nothing to do with hyperthreading.

GPI · Post by **GPI** » Sat Aug 16, 2003 9:43 pm

Berikco wrote:The PureBasic IDE uses only one thread, so this stability problem got nothing to do with hyperthreading.

Wrong. When you start tools, a Thread can be created.

And a other question: When you load a DLL, is this not also a Thread?

Post by **Berikco** » Sat Aug 16, 2003 10:55 pm

Starting a tool got not much to do with IDE stability...
But the whole windows OS runs in hundreds of threads, and every windows app is using them...
So hyperthreading while speed up every app, some only 1% but others by as much as 30 % says intel (

that must be comercial crap, never found HT it to be 30% faster in an app i tested )

Tiuri · Post by **Tiuri** » Wed Aug 27, 2003 2:44 am

Hi,

I just wanted to end this topic with the report that I have been able to get the standard PB IDE to run stably (so far, fingers crossed). I was not able to identify the reason for my problems with any certainty, but i did a system restore to a month ago, and after that things seem to work better. I supect that it was somehow related to the HTML help, since I also had some weird behaviour with the help not wanting to open when I had IE open at the same time. Maybe it had something to do with system settings being changed by the Mozilla Firebird browser, since my settings were restored to the time before I installed that on my computer...

Cheers, and thanks for your comments once more