UserOfPure wrote:Yes, but if you're doing 150 mph would it still slow you down so quickly? I doubt it. More like the wheel would shred the brake due to the high revolutions.
It doesn't need to slow you down quickly, it just needs to slow you down and it can stop you. Brakes (pads or shoes) are meant to be used and are routinely used at high speeds.
Unfortunately, people are stupid, they do not keep their brakes (normal or emergency.parking) properly maintained. But they have no problem complaining when they do not work properly when they need them.
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I can't believe the whole family had no idea how to use the handbrake. And it can't be true, that nothing worked anymore.
I think they didn't know that the automatic speed control was turned on when its accelerating all the time as most of the cars is still mechanic.
Well we bought a hyundai (btw. my monitor is also a hyundai) and they didn't recall the brakes, yet.
The fact is that it's not the first Toyota to have the problem, other people have reported it too, so it's not just a case of one family being stupid. Seems a lot of people are stupid then, since it's a common problem with Toyota. Even Steve Wozniak reported that his Toyota would accelerate beyond what he wanted, so... there you go.
Its very sad the family died, however, there are more people injured or killed every year, actually every day in fact, as a result of drunk drivers and inattentive driving due to driver cell phone usage, then have ever been injured or killed as a result of any defect in any Toyota auto mobile. Yet no one does anything about that. There is no recall on alcohol, no recall on cell phones. I'm not a Toyota fan, i've owned their vehicles and never had a problem with them but thats not the point, the point is that people stand more of a chance of being injured or killed by a drunk driver or an inattentive driver using a cell phone than as a result of an automobile defect.
The advantage of a 64 bit operating system over a 32 bit operating system comes down to only being twice the headache.
Kuron wrote:Most people driving cars today do not understand how a car works.
That's been true ever since cars were invented. Not just today.
I'll agree that people today know a lot less about how they work than they used to because of all the custom control electronics manufacturers are putting in their cars these days. Unless you go out and buy a car that was made before all the electronics was put in them, the days of the Saturday or shade tree mechanic are for the most part over.
Anything beyond basic preventative maintenance usually requires custom and expensive test equipment.
UserOfPure wrote:The fact is that it's not the first Toyota to have the problem, other people have reported it too, so it's not just a case of one family being stupid. Seems a lot of people are stupid then, since it's a common problem with Toyota. Even Steve Wozniak reported that his Toyota would accelerate beyond what he wanted, so... there you go.
Its very sad the family died, however, there are more people injured or killed every year, actually every day in fact, as a result of drunk drivers and inattentive driving due to driver cell phone usage, then have ever been injured or killed as a result of any defect in any Toyota auto mobile. Yet no one does anything about that. There is no recall on alcohol, no recall on cell phones.
Actually, here in Norway some people have lost their driving licenses for "excessive drinking" even they have not (yet) been caught driving drunk. Also, alcohol isn't sold in normal shops. Also, talking on the cell phone while driving or bicycling is forbidden without handsfree (yes, I know the risk is the same, but still I think it reduces the number of people who talk while driving).
Forbidding and prohibiting does little if social attitudes do not change. Just in the U.S. alone, in 2008, there were 37,261 deaths as a result of driving and drinking, that is 102 deaths per day. Additionally, there are around 100,000 deaths a year caused by, or a result of, alcohol:
5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are attributed to alcohol.
15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are attributed to alcohol.
30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are attributed to alcohol.
30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.
30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.
40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.
45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.
60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.
This is just the United States, world wide the numbers are much higher.
In the U.S. : In 2007 and 2008 cell phone usage while driving contributed to nearly 1,000 crashes involving 16- and 17-year-old drivers alone. In 2007 50 % of drivers used their cell phones while driving, in 2009 the number went up to almost 70%. In 2007, 25% of vehicle accidents were a result of driver distraction as a result of using cell phones or texting.
Although the numbers vary, and may be different depending on the source, the fact remains that far more people are injured or killed every year as a result of alcohol inpaired drivers and cell phone uasge while driving then have ever been injured or killed as a result of Toyota automobile defects. In a stange perverse way, a person stands a far less chance of being injured or killed as a result of a Toyota defective automobile.
And lets not even go into motorcycle accidents, for which motorcycles are inherently dangerous to begin with.
The advantage of a 64 bit operating system over a 32 bit operating system comes down to only being twice the headache.
Well I own 2 toyotas: 2001 corolla S (wifes car!) and a 2004 HIghlander (mine) and a 1993 MB 190e2.6 (also mine but I have to sell!)
The accelerator pedals are the same in the Lexus and Toyota so both companies should have the same issue? But they don't.
The control computer is same in both models as well... but nothing for Lexus.
The fact is: From a Toyota Dealer who lives in my hood... Thatt Toyota sttill does not know why it happens. Lexus dealers have been told to WATCH for same incidents.
Oh and that handbrake! It is now a PUSH ON / PUSH OFF foot pedal which is useless!!!
UserOfPure wrote:Yes, but if you're doing 150 mph would it still slow you down so quickly? I doubt it. More like the wheel would shred the brake due to the high revolutions.
It doesn't need to slow you down quickly, it just needs to slow you down and it can stop you. Brakes (pads or shoes) are meant to be used and are routinely used at high speeds.
Unfortunately, people are stupid, they do not keep their brakes (normal or emergency.parking) properly maintained. But they have no problem complaining when they do not work properly when they need them.
Okay.., so all the cars I've driven have a broken "emergency" brake? Because I can remember I could still start driving with handbrake on easily.
No, seriously.. the handbrake won't stop you if the motor keeps trying to accelerate. And at 120 mph they will catch fire within seconds, so you'll have a burning car you can't stop *yay*...
I can't believe the whole family had no idea how to use the handbrake.
Keep in mind this accident was fully investigated by professional investigators of auto accidents, and since it was a fellow officer, they went the extra mile. The official ruling for the accident portrayed in the video was the floor mat had moved and was pressing on the gas pedal.
Best wishes to the PB community. Thank you for the memories.
Rook Zimbabwe wrote:Well I own 2 toyotas: 2001 corolla S (wifes car!) and a 2004 HIghlander (mine) and a 1993 MB 190e2.6
Toyota claim models pre 2005 are not affected.
Rook Zimbabwe wrote:The accelerator pedals are the same in the Lexus and Toyota so both companies should have the same issue? But they don't.
As well as the Lexus both the Toyota Avensis and Yaris are being recalled (maybe other models too, I just know of these two because work colleagues have them).
Rook Zimbabwe wrote:From a Toyota Dealer who lives in my hood... Thatt Toyota sttill does not know why it happens
Probably true, a problem with the pedal certainly doesn't seem to explain all the symptoms.
Kuron wrote:Keep in mind this accident was fully investigated by professional investigators of auto accidents, and since it was a fellow officer, they went the extra mile. The official ruling for the accident portrayed in the video was the floor mat had moved and was pressing on the gas pedal.
I doubt whether Toyota would recall millions of cars and have their representatives blub in public if the problem was just a floor mat.
the.weavster wrote:I doubt whether Toyota would recall millions of cars and have their representatives blub in public if the problem was just a floor mat.
The floor mat is a pathetic smokescreen excuse. I bet floor mats weren't even used in some cases, too. Lame.
Deeem2031 wrote:No, seriously.. the handbrake won't stop you if the motor keeps trying to accelerate. And at 120 mph they will catch fire within seconds, so you'll have a burning car you can't stop *yay*...
When I pull my handbrake with 10km/h it immediately stops, so its still a good alternative for the footbrake (which doesn't hold the car so fast).
DarkDragon wrote:When I pull my handbrake with 10km/h it immediately stops
Yes, but would it stop the car when it's doing 241 km/h, which is what the Toyota was doing? I doubt it.
Yes, but who in a family car lets it accelerate that high? After about 160 km/h I would have pulled it so it brakes it down and turn the motor off (the motor will turn itself off if the gear is too high - ohh I forgot you in the USA all have automatic cars).
And it can't be true, that nothing worked anymore.
- ohh I forgot you in the USA all have automatic cars).