The future of independent purebasic developers under threat

[utopiomania]

I still think the point I made is valid. If I sell software and tell them up front that it is sold 'As Is' and that
It might or might not work, or that anything can happen using the software, it's a fair deal.

Some will run for the hills or go other places, most will probably Google it before they buy it, so this isn't
a problem if you are willing to be completely honest to your customers.

Which is a good thing, and probably what they intended with this law-thingy.

[Tipperton]

is it this? I mean... where is it said?

I could interprete "responsability" for simple refunds of the price of the product. so, if the software don't work on my configuration, why shouldn't I have the right to give it back?

You should have some relatively clear system requirements. If the program does not work even though someone's fulfills the system requirements, I think it's fair that they can get their money back (and their license to the software revoked of course). No blame or shit-throwing, just their money back.

If all it is was an assurance to consumers that if a piece of software doesn't work on their system or doesn't perform as advertised then they are entitled to return the software for a refund, then I'd have no problem with that. I've been burned too many times by software that had no demo or trial that didn't work and the company wouldn't refund my money.

So now I take the attitude of "No trial? No sale!"

But I thought I read somewhere that it goes further in that they want software developers to be liable for what their code does or doesn't do. So if someone is using your program and the computer crashes causing the loss of all unsaved data, that you could be liable for replacing that lost data even though the cause of the crash wasn't your program.

That is what I'd object to and would choose to not sell my software in the EU if this was passed.

[PB]

> So if someone is using your program and the computer crashes causing
> the loss of all unsaved data, that you could be liable for replacing that lost
> data even though the cause of the crash wasn't your program.

I see. So that will totally stuff up Microsoft then! If the OS crashes and loses
all unsaved data, Microsoft will be liable -- at least in Europe. For this fact
alone, the law won't be passed. I just don't see Microsoft accepting it.

[SFSxOI]

I think you guys are reading this wrong. It never says that the software producer is totally liable 100% of the time. It doesn't say that any problem that arises is the fault of the software producer 100% of the time. It doesn't say that any problem that arises does not have to be the effect of a defect in the software that the software producer should have known about. All it does is add some consumer rights that are notably missing from the present software environment and were obviously left out and not included on purpose by the software industry as a whole.

Once again, welcome to the world of big content influence.

[Kaeru Gaman]

But I thought I read somewhere..

thus I asked for "Information".
those articles are bloated of blabla and opinions

So if someone is using your program and the computer crashes causing the loss of all unsaved data, that you could be liable for replacing that lost data even though the cause of the crash wasn't your program.

even for a politician this would be really, really, really stupid.

Here in Europa you can't sue McD for burning your lap with hot coffee, or sue your microwave's manufacturer for killing your wet cat in it...
so, I hardly can imagine anything that is even too stupid for USAmerica to become true in Europe.
sorry, no personal pun intended!

[SFSxOI]

Here in Europa you can't sue McD for burning your lap with hot coffee, or sue your microwave's manufacturer for killing your wet cat in it...
so, I hardly can imagine anything that is even too stupid for USAmerica to become true in Europe.
sorry, no personal pun intended!

But it did provide for many hours of comedic relief here in the U.S. so you guys in Europe really missed out on something.

[Tipperton]

But I thought I read somewhere..

thus I asked for "Information".
those articles are bloated of blabla and opinions

Could be, I haven't read the actual source article (tl;dr) so I'm just going by what others are saying. That's probably a major mistake right there.

even for a politician this would be really, really, really stupid.

Last I checked, most people thought that that was about right for polititians...

Here in Europa you can't sue McD for burning your lap with hot coffee, or sue your microwave's manufacturer for killing your wet cat in it...

We desperately need those laws here. I personally thought both were a bunch of BS. The companies may be able to afford it but people shouldn't be rewarded for being so flaming stupid.

[Trond]

Here in Europa you can't sue McD for burning your lap with hot coffee, or sue your microwave's manufacturer for killing your wet cat in it...

We desperately need those laws here. I personally thought both were a bunch of BS. The companies may be able to afford it but people shouldn't be rewarded for being so flaming stupid.

Oh you can sue, there's no law against that. You'll just lose the case since it was you who did the thing.

[Tipperton]

Yeah, the problem is the idiot courts in our land awarded millions to the idiot consumers who injured themselves out their own stupidity.
Neither company was at fault in either case and yet the courts made them pay millions to idiot consumers doing stupid things.
If the courts are going to be that stupid, it'd be better if the stupid consumers couldn't sue in the first place.

Sorry, I just think the whole situation is wrong.

[Kaeru Gaman]

Sorry, I just think the whole situation is wrong.

I wholeheartly agree!

... just think about Bhutan ... thay seem to make something better than we do...