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Hi,
I just got my hands on the pre-beta release of Windows 7 (the one that Microsoft
handed out to developers during the PDC) and installed it. I then tried to install the
latest Purebasic 4.3 beta and all worked well. I was able to compile and run
several codes from the examples directory without experiencing any problems.

Windows 7 seems to be compatible to Vista-compatible software.
Just wanted to let you know...good work Fred & Freak & André :)
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Is it 64 or 32-bit? (Check the top of the IDE).
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32-Bit :P
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It may be worth noting that PB also ran pretty well on Vista without modification.
The modifications we did were mostly to not write to the program folder so a restricted user could run it from the programs directory. That was all.

Thanks for the info anyway. :)
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Aye, even though Windows 7 is rumoured to be the version of Vista we all wanted in the first place (lean mean...), I have to say that I like Vista anyhow! :) Ah bugger it, I love the damn thing; but then it is really the api's ease of use which I guess I am really enamoured with!

It is good to know that my Vista ready programs will carry over seemlessly to Windows 7 as indeed the library I am currently working on (20000+ lines) has already been shown to work without a hitch on Win 7, and that makes me a happy chappy! Getting some of my programs to run on Vista was a bit of a pain so it is good to know that I will not have to suffer the same problems again! At least not until Windows 8 anyhow!
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yes, PB works fine in Win 7. Although Win 7 is touted as the Vista we should have had its more of a combination of the Vista we should have had Plus ! It will lay in the ground work for a other newer MS technologies as well. Something about Win 7 thats not known right now but being considered is laying in the ground work for the cloud-computing - orientation concept.
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...cloud-computing - orientation concept...
What's that all about then?
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Cloud computing at its very basics is everything hosted somewhere else instead of your network or on the client computer. Basically your computer acts as an expensive dumb terminal to use anything.

Back in the mid 90's MS published a white paper concept as part of its vision for the future of computing. The problem with implementing it was that technology needed to catch up. Part of that vision was to remove direct user access to the actual software with the various apps and everything being accessed from the content owners servers only. It was recognized back even then that to defeat piracy, have strict control over who used what and when, and ensure a continual revenue source, that the IP owners had to control all access. Part of that vision was the gaming console. Now technology has caught up and server and storage technology is becoming available to make this happen. Its a resurgence of the old main frame concept basically. I still have the white paper somewhere archived onto the thousands of CD's i've burned over the years, if I can find it i'll let you know.

In the future (maybe a more near future then you think) most all personal computers, even the ones you buy, will be a dumb terminals and you will be charged a monthly access fee to access the content servers at MS or somewhere else across the internet even for purchases. When you boot up your computer ("terminal" or "Console") the operating system will not start locally like it does today from the hard drive because it will not be installed locally, you will access the internet and your operating system will boot virtually on the content owners servers somewhere across the internet, you will purchase your operating system virtually and never see a CD or DVD being sold for it. Even your system memory will be virtual, you wont have the memory configurations of today and probably only have maybe about 64K, enough for the instruction set for your dumb terminals basic operation of turning on and accessing the content servers and authenticating, everything else will be done on the other side in the cloud. Thats why MS and the others really push the console and don't add things which give full free control like you have with a PC. They want the consoles to dominate and become seen as what we call a PC today by newer generations of people so thats all they will know so they can break the connection to the past. Its also one reason that nasty acronym DRM exists today to allow whats called a "guided approach" into people getitng used to accepting having some measure of control removed from them for their present computers when they install something. You will not be able to do something like buy PureBasic and install it, it will have to be installed in, and accessed from, the "cloud" and will not be on your computer/console/terminal.
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You think that will catch on then amongst the corporate IT set?
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The IT set in terms of the corporation? Sure it will catch on, at least I think so. It will be cheaper for a corporation to have dumb terminals and not have to have rooms full of servers or pay people to maintain networks...they just basically rent their network across the internet and let someone like MS host their apps and data. The actual IT people might not like it because it will eventually put them out of work, but the coporations and companies will like it because it will save them money from saleries and benefits the cost of which just for one person will pay their annual rent for the service hosted somewhere else.
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Quite a lot of large companies are set up in a similar way already, with everything on servers and users just using thin clients. It's cheaper and easier to maintain.

A thin client only costs around $40- which is much cheaper than providing each user with a pc, and it's much easier to control what gets installed. Plus if you upgrade the server hardware everyone benefits. I guess it's just an extension of the same idea.

I have heard a rumour the next version of Windows will be Microsofts last desktop OS.
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the.weavster wrote:I have heard a rumour the next version of Windows will be Microsofts last desktop OS.
They make a dumper truck load of $$$ every minute from OEM sales of Windows so I would find it hard to believe that they would sink this cash cow! Of course they could plan to make this up by selling server space for these VM's etc. but this would still be losing all the $$$ from the home user market etc.
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Yeah, that sounds basically almost like a move to the cloud.

That rumor about the last desktop OS being win 7 has been around for a bit, but with inclusion of cloud computing basics things in win 7 it might be that there will be one more after win 7 like a win 8 but I would not expect there to be a win 9.
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srod wrote:
the.weavster wrote:I have heard a rumour the next version of Windows will be Microsofts last desktop OS.
They make a dumper truck load of $$$ every minute from OEM sales of Windows so I would find it hard to believe that they would sink this cash cow! Of course they could plan to make this up by selling server space for these VM's etc. but this would still be losing all the $$$ from the home user market etc.
maybe, but some how I think they have this all figured out. Think about it though for a second, if all computers are basically dumb terminals then the cost of systems is going to drop greatly because you wont need things like hard drives or lots of memory or even DVD/CD players. The cheaper systems will mean more people are able to aford them (if we get out of this economic mess we are in :) ), the more people that buy them the more people that will access the cloud. You might even see deals like we see now for computers with features like bigger hard drives, instead you might see deals like "The fastest system on the market today, for an introductory monthly fee of $19.99 for access to the the premier MS operating system and your favorite MS games and applications"

I'm sure the corporations will figure out the money angle. Corporations don't do anything unless they can make money at it.

sad really, very sad. Its sad because we as a computer community allow it to happen by the actions we take or don't take like accepting DRM as an anti-piracy measure when it isn't, allowing companies thru the vote-via-dollar to make console only titles and then buying them and buying consoles and believing the sales hype that it was the way to go, by not standing up and saying "we will not buy the crap that you put out" or "we demand PC based games and software, not just consoles, and demand unfettered access to the content we purchase to be free to use it legitimately and legally when we want without restrictions".. to software companies, by just rolling over and accepting what ever came along, by not doing research on our own and realizing things for what they really are instead of believing what we read on the 'net in some forum somewhere that could really care less and thinking numbers of opinions in those forums meant it was really fact, when we allowed companies to dictate to the consumer what demand will be instead of the consumer dictating demand as its supposed to be in a free market, and a bunch of other ways. Yep, we allow it to happen when we had the control all along thru the control over spending our money. As long as someone will pay for it the companies will keep putting it out and pushing it in such a way to keep you from knowing whats really going on. 'Caveat emptor' is Latin for "Let the buyer beware", so even those in the dim past without knowing what the future would be warned us even then, and here we are in the present with it actually happening and we still fail to see whats going on.
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Ah well, what will be will be! :)
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