Seminal Musicians

[thefool]

Do go there. Kraftwerk is more in terms of technology though

[electrochrisso]

Anyone listen to Klaus Schulz.

[the.weavster]

Kraftwerk 'Seminal Musicians'? :roll:

One definition of 'seminal':

Of, relating to, containing, or conveying semen or seed.

Are you suggesting Kraftwerk suffer from lovers nuts? I find it hard to imagine that they know what their genitals are for their music is so devoid of humanity.

An alternative definition of 'seminal':

Highly influential in an original way; constituting or providing a basis for further development

Microwave ovens have been in American kitchens since the nineteen fifties, assuming they went 'ping' when they finished cooking they predated Kraftwerk by decades.

Kraftwerk did not invent synths they just used them to make thin, tedious little ditties - if they've inspired anybody else to do the same they probably deserve a kick in the crotch.

If you want to hear creative use of synths (by humans) from the same era check out artists like The Who, Yes, Steve Hillage, Camel etc...

As for rap if you stop thinking of it as music and instead listen to it as rythmic poetry you'll find some of it is lyrically very clever - much more interesting than 'parp, parp, parp on the autobahn' or 'I'm the operator of my pocket calculator'...

[electrochrisso]

Don't forget about Gary Numan and the Tubeway Army.

[thefool]

You're a funny man, weavster. Besides most rap nowadays isn't smart, unless you're dumb. Oh. Caught you there didn't I?

besides i never said they were a lyrical inspiration. But the use of percussion is actually becoming more and more kraftwerk-like IMHO

So you figured out kraftwerk's lyrics doesn't inspire rap-artists? Wow. But guess what, its not allways about the freakin lyrics

[the.weavster]

Kraftwerk does rap: "by pressing down a special key it plays a motherf****n' melody"
Ah, sounds better already...

Listening to Kraftwerk you would think those guys have never had a shag, never got trashed, never had a fight, never tried drugs, never been in love (except with a computer), never had a bereavement, never demonstrated, never even had an opinion on any issue (no matter how trivial)... they just sit around playing with the scientific functions on their casio calculators.

If this music speaks to you, thefool, you need to get some good hard living in before it's too late - you'll be old and dribbling on your shirt before you know it.

[Trond]

One word: Bartolomeo. Not even a musician, but in my opinion still influenced music more than Elvis, Beatles, Dylan, Beethoven, Motorhead, Hawkwind, Manfred Mann, Miles Davis Jr, BB King, The Police, Dire Straits, Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath, Jimmy Hendrix, The Who, Queen, Iron Butterfly, Buddy Holly, Robert Leroy Johnson, Willie 'The Lion' Smith, Chick Webb, Louis Jordan, Ella Fitzgerald, Louis Prima, Little Richard, Ray Charles, James Brown, Michael Jackson, Boyzone/Westlife/SpiceGirls, Prince/NIZLOPI/Gnarls Barklay/David Gray, Bob Marley and every other name from the next four pages that I didn't read.

By the way: All your BASS are belong to us!

[the.weavster]

Oh no, now thefool is going to strike back with Elisha Gray or Robert Moog...

If we were discussing the wonderful sculptures created by Michelangelo or Auguste Rodin he'd probably want to convince us his plastic Hulk Hogan figurine had greater merit.

[thefool]

Funny

never even had an opinion on any issue (no matter how trivial).

That just shows me that you know nothing about what you speak about. You're obviously without any sense of what you blabber on about


I'll leave this thread alone now then, if you can't say anything in here without some stupid moron of a brit comes around annoying my personal opinions in a thread where the author asks about opinions.

you need to get some good hard living in

Money doesn't solve anything, just makes it easier until it finally hits you like an elephant. Lets see how it goes next year when i move to college and have to try handling myself a bit more eh. I look forward to it, actually..

that doesn't mean i'll be another of those normal shitfaces out there, living a hard life. Ordinary problems my fucking ass. Them about that hah.

Another last thing: about kraftwerk i didn't say i actually liked it, i just said some of the stuff they did have inspired many people. And the artists say it themself. Heck, i'd say they probably inspired people to RAP no matter what you say. And thats my opinion and no matter how much you try to piss me off, its not changing.

Go listen to some gangsta rap and think you're cool, like many people do.
Or stay smart. Your call. You are saying i should get more problems into my life. fuck no. Its not my problem people CAN'T USE THEIR HEADS.

I'll just stay here and laugh. You did a pretty fine job making me annoyed, though. You do that for a living?

[electrochrisso]

Good on you thefool, I couldn't agree with you more.
Forget the hard living bullshit rock n roll, death metal and rap, just a waste of time, money and brain cells.
If anyone really wants to appreciate music, start learning to make your own rather than listen to some crap celebrity telling you whats best.

[Irene]

Good on you thefool, I couldn't agree with you more.
Forget the hard living bullshit rock n roll, death metal and rap, just a waste of time, money and brain cells.
If anyone really wants to appreciate music, start learning to make your own rather than listen to some crap celebrity telling you whats best.

Ahoy smart readers! ^o^

Reply to the actual post:

[..]highly influential in an original way and providing a platform or impetus for further development.[..]

I must say that Tiësto and Paul van Dyk have inspired me to do most of my music, and both have their very own original style of producing and feeling the music. Yes, you can feel the music! With that I mean listening to a track and enjoying it while keeping your mental activity low. That isn't possible with "music" styles like "rock", "metal", "rap", "hip hop", etc... No matter how much you like the "music" of a "death skull dude" grinding his hands on a guitar, it's just because of the media and MTV that has modified your brain cells to malfunction.

The right way to understand and listen music can't be learned. The best way to develop an understanding of it however is to start from the ground up. With this I mean that you really should go to the next library and lend a few Bach and Mozart CDs. You should take a relaxing position and let your Walkman (or PC for the very geeks) play some classical tracks. Try to feel light and keep your mental activity low, enjoy the music. This way slowly but slowly you will develop an understanding of how everything works in harmony. After you have achieved this goal you will automatically every now and then feel the pulses and the music inside of you.

When you know how to feel the music, you would like to create your own and see if you can achieve the same pulses and feeling like the classical music of Bach or Mozart. When you start off with an application like FL Studio (you should really begin with something designed for non-professionals like FL Studio and the demo has a perfect amount of functionality, except for the disabled saving function, but it is understandable) you will start to look for sounds (samples) that your body likes. With this I mean the way how your own body responses to the sounds you hear from the speakers with your own body language. Slowly but slowly you will develop appreciation to music styles you probably haven't heard in the past. This is the point from where you can climb a mountain and shout that you did it! You developed your own understanding of music and found a style that you (your body) likes.

This may or may not apply to you, but it's the way how I (everyone in my family?) found the way to trance music. Pretty funny, eh? ^o^

[electrochrisso]

Great reply Irene.
Have you ever read a book called Godel, Escher, Bach.
A metaphorical Fugue on Minds and Machines in the spirit of Lewis Carroll.
By Douglas R.Hofstadter.

Interesting reading of linking the music of Bach, graphic art of Escher and mathematical theorems of Godel.
It describes the relationship of mathematics, music, graphical art and the nature of the human thought process.
A bit heavy going, but did point out how Bach could make simple rhythmical patterns change, evolve and repeat themselves in slightly different ways to make it sound a lot more complicated than it really was. eg Canons and Fugues.

If a person was to learn about music, they need go no further than some of the masters such as Back and Mozart, because they laid out all of the ground work for all of the music we hear today.
Not that many people would notice because they don't look into the underlying (basic) mathematics behind music.

Anyway the sort of music you hear from the likes of MTV has little or no mathematical formula behind it, mostly people using someone else scores, samples etc and put it together with a slightly different arrangement. Not much brain power needed, just a slick promoter and advertising agent required.

To be quite honest I don't think a lot of people really get into music because over time the spectrum has been narrowed that much by the big wig producers and promoters people have forgotten what modern music improvision used to be, like it was in the seventies and early eighties.
Thats when (the highly influential in an original way and providing a platform or impetus for further development). was really shining but died not long after the music rip offs came to town and took over the music industry.

[thefool]

Interesting and true thoughts

But more and more i tend to split up tracks and listen to how they are actually made. HOW do they get the flow. That teaches me quite a big deal. Because after all, everything is inspired from something

That and then reading a lot about techniques and the underlying mathematics (more than the basic stuff)

mostly people using someone else scores, samples etc and put it together with a slightly different arrangement

Exactly! You need to add that little personal attitude to the music. But that said, it is more than just OK to seek inspiration.

I'm still a bit annoyed though because my Korg PadKontrol first arrives in janurary

But for now then i'll do with hand-made programmed rythms instead of direct from the head. Surely the results are about the same but its just something else when you can just get into the flow of the rythm you got in the head and plonge it in instead of having to do it over longer time..

Still wanting to produce a little anthem trance piece, due to a request i got from one. He said i should do that first THEN do whatever i'd like. I want to try a bit different genres of, at first.

[the.weavster]

The right way to understand and listen music can't be learned.

And, obviously, yours is the definitive judgement of what is "The right way to understand and listen music"?

some stupid moron of a brit

Is stupidity relative or is it an absolute? Whilst I wont deny that I am stupid my IQ puts me in the top 2% of the population.

Go listen to some gangsta rap

I don't think I'll bother, although SOME rap can be lyrically interesting it's really not my thing.

I really like this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqOWBLugj9E
and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiQbFrfndfs

Forget the hard living bullshit rock n roll, death metal and rap, just a waste of time, money and brain cells.

Maybe I didn't express myself very well, you're certainly missing the point I was trying to make - I wasn't suggesting you should kill yourselves with drugs or alcohol, just experience life. Try le parkour, bungee jumping, zorbing, backpacking, anything but sitting in your bedroom spanking the monkey. It's clear you need a break from virtual reality and a healthy dose of real reality. If you find Kraftwerk inspirational you've been in a darkened room too long.

[Dare]

parkour rocks!





Ummmm ....


... harmony is not only a musical term, guys and gals!