Visual Studio 2005 tutorials

dagcrack · Post by **dagcrack** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:49 pm

They arent hired, thats why they wanted help.
I do know some .net programmers currently hired by (poor) companies though. Sad jobs on writting database entries, etc. But theres a little of THIS and a little of the OTHER in the world, you cant really say that if you use .FCK you'll be dead and wont get hired. You'll get hired using any language, only and only if you're good and they feel you can do any good to their company, thats how it works. It's not the camera that takes the pictures, it's you. Know it.

Post by **Dare2** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:51 pm

* valium dispenser installed in thread *

dagcrack · Post by **dagcrack** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:57 pm

It was already been installed, however I'm somehow immune to valium.

Plus, what I say is true.. Even if I give you the best digicam around, and you know crap about photography, I doubt you'll take any professional photos...

And that backups what I wanted to say.. It doesnt matter the language, what matters is you and your knowledge. so stop crying about other languages coming up, and get your ass to work on any language you feel comfy at!.

However even if I'm against .net, that wouldnt change anything on YOU, if YOU like .net, go ahead. It's a point of view: .net is crap >TO ME< .

theNerd · Post by **theNerd** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:04 pm

Although I don't like .NET for desktop apps it's great for web pages (ASP .NET)

dagcrack · Post by **dagcrack** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:07 pm

*Stays with PHP for multiple reasons* But yeh..

Post by **Dare2** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:08 pm

hehe. Too funny, dagcrack.

Um .. what exactly is the point of your discussions? Can you simplify things, sort of dumb it down .. for feeble minds like mine? I think I've lost the plot.

I read it as you saying ..

Its all crap but its all good, don't unless you do.

That can't be right, surely?

dagcrack · Post by **dagcrack** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:20 pm

"Its all crap to me, but it might be good for you, so don't think its crap because it's crap to me, go find out by yourself how crap the crap is!"

I could go on ( ? )

"If you dont like something, go make your own bastard!"

Got more of my own phrases but.. dunno if they'll fit..

dagcrack · Post by **dagcrack** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:22 pm

Some.. "if you.." own phrases:

"If you can make something out of crap, then you should stay with the crap"

"If you feel lucky because you've found purebasic, then feel sorry for those vb mutants out there!"

"If you brush your teeth with crap, you'll feel the power of .net"

"If you got a gay friend, then you better watch out your back!"

Edwin Knoppert · Post by **Edwin Knoppert** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:14 pm

What a nonsense replies.

(cinical mode on)
very solid responses and makes some people really trustworthy.
(cinical mode off)

Kaiser · Post by **Kaiser** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:05 pm

Uhhhhh whatever. Totally agreed with Dagcrack though in most of his posts. To be sincere - I don't know any C++ (but had a few experience with a freeware old DOS C compiler) but it's because I don't want to. Recently seeing the source of some old DOS game made in C++ I go all like "OMFGWTFBBQ ITZ MADE IN C++?!" and the code looked real easy after that. I haven't learned C++ 'cuz I haven't wanted to. But I have the tools.

Now, on topic...

.NET is bloated, and slow for old computers.
I can run PB apps in a K6 133Mhz/64MbRAM/Win98SE without any problems, the GUI runs easily and at the same speed than in my 933Mhz. Of course, graphic apps and numbercrunching would be slower (DUH!) but it doesn't slows down the whole system (like .NET does).

.NET may be good for WEB apps, not for GUI apps.

To me, .NET is a Web language and a GUI wannabe - something it can't be.

NO WAY I'm gonna download a ****ing 30Mb framework for using a 500Kb app. I say eff it and go program in a real language. (Maybe PB isn't a real language - it's based on BASIC after all - but surely will make you learn more... like I do now with the WinAPI stuff. It was easier to learn it on PB rather than in VB).

Conclusion:

.NET: Big, bloated, slow, requires a 30Mb framework.
PB: Works on any system (and is portable too), small apps, no framework other than your Windows GDI, faster, easier to program, extendable, and creates click-and-enjoy programs & games, not click-and-download-framework-then-restart-then-run-and-pray-it-works.

Post by **Rings** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:54 pm

Free available Express-Versions (For Beginners) now:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/expre ... t/install/

utopiomania · Post by **utopiomania** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:28 pm

Don't know if I dare say this, but thanks for the link

GeoTrail · Post by **GeoTrail** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:39 pm

Rings wrote:Free available Express-Versions (For Beginners) now:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/expre ... t/install/

Are there any limitations about those releases? Commercial wise or something?

GedB · Post by **GedB** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:52 pm

Can I use Express Editions for commercial use?

Yes, there are no licensing restrictions for applications built using the Express Editions.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/expre ... px#pricing

Note that it is only free for the first year.

rsts · Post by **rsts** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:04 pm

I tried it out a few weeks back and, as expected, it seemed unnecessarily bloated, but to each his or her own. Some of you might like it.

IMO opinion, it does not represent "competition" to PureBasic, but then, I haven't found anything that does.

cheers