Why I had to stop using PureBasic

[Dude]

Post deleted in case I offended anyone.

[IdeasVacuum]

Aha Dude - but they didn't ask how to make a skull and cross bones icon!

In fairness to those that inadvertently helped someone that certainly seems intent on creating nasty apps, the questions are often asked bit-by-bit, so as not to arouse suspicion. I think the key clue though is when a relatively new User is asking about how to write system manipulating code that nobody would normally require.

So, in conclusion, everyone that has contributed to this post has made a valid point, made us all think. If a poster disagrees with what you had to say, that is that, don't get personal about it. You won't find a better more helpful forum anywhere else.

[Dude]

Post deleted in case I offended anyone.

[walbus]

Hi Guys
Looking also for this thread, its more as strange, i think...
http://forums.purebasic.com/english/vie ... 13&t=67548

[Fig]

I understand it's a problem if pb is used for evil malwares.
But i also crave for knowledge even in that area, even if i don't use it.

So i am glad nobody censure these threads.
I think internet should be a wide source of knowledge.
Knowledge is nor good nor bad, it depends of what you do with it. And this is everyones responsability.

[walbus]

Knowledge is not evil

Humans are evil !

So fahr :

He's a child without a mind ?

He's grown up but stupid ?

Bragging, ha, look how great I am ?

Inferiority complexes ?

Make money ?

If he doesn't have the necessary knowledge, he has to get it

If he asks, it's more than unwise to give him this information

It's also just not true that an experienced coder doesn't immediately realize what the boy wants.

[Mijikai]

...If he asks, it's more than unwise to give him this information
...

Just as a reminder i agree on that!
If you however feel the need to discuss the issue i raised a few posts back im here - we can talk

Edit: preferable via PM!

[walbus]

You can send my with PN
Also on PN, you can written in german

[Dude]

Here's a fresh example of compromised certs, that happened yesterday (Sep 18, 2017) for "CCleaner" (red text color added by myself):

Hackers have successfully breached CCleaner’s security to inject malware into the app and distribute it to millions of users. Security researchers at Cisco Talos discovered that download servers used by Avast (the company that owns CCleaner) were compromised to distribute malware inside CCleaner. "For a period of time, the legitimate signed version of CCleaner 5.33 being distributed by Avast also contained a multi-stage malware payload that rode on top of the installation of CCleaner," says the Talos team.

Source: https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/18/1632 ... e-security

Read the red text again: "the legitimate signed version of CCleaner [...] contained a multi-stage malware payload"

So users faithfully downloaded the Setup.exe for CCleaner, saw that it was "safely signed", installed it, and got infected anyway.

Signed certs are NOT the answer.

[Fred]

May be they are not, but the antivirus trust them better than nonsigned exe, so it answers the false positive stuff than PB programs are facing.

[Samuel]

Here's a fresh example of cert hacking that I mentioned, that happened yesterday (Sep 18, 2017) for "CCleaner":

Signed certs are NOT the answer.

You're wrong the certificate worked correctly. The malware was inserted into ccleaner before the executable was signed. Therefore there was no way to tell the executable was tampered with by looking at the certificate.
Signed certificates are very important. Just make sure your employees aren't tampering with your executables.

[walbus]

English :
http://blog.talosintelligence.com/2017/ ... lware.html

[Dude]

When I say "hacked certs", I literally mean certs that can't be trusted, no matter how legit they look. I concede that "hacked" probably isn't the best word, so I've edited my above post to reflect that.

there was no way to tell the executable was tampered with by looking at the certificate.

That's my point: the signed exe can "look" safe, but in reality it may not be.

[Dude]

the antivirus trust them better than nonsigned exe

A very good point, Fred; but it smells like the signing companies and AV companies are in bed with this.

[Bitblazer]

signatures arent the final solution, but they do raise the bar for malicious software a lot and are a good method for now. If you have a better solution - present it and get filthy rich

Let's just have the best (affordable) we have, till something better shows up.