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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:32 pm 
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Hi Mohsen,
I thought, wrongly, you gave up :?
It was too bad to see the distribution problems... the interface was great
Very glad to see you're persisting and you still seem motivated.
The 101st try might be the right one :) , you have all my encouragement
I'd be happy to be one of the beta testers.

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Hi my friends,
All I can say is that this project has neither been abandoned nor failed. After the failure of the first version of Amitris, I changed my policy.This is my last attempt, I do not want to fail in this version either. If 100 different visual designers are made for pb, I will present this project as the 101th designer. Now, no matter how much time it takes, I do not care.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:12 pm 
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Greetings!

This is a very big project, very difficult!

I'm myself with Stargate on a module that would simplify the creation of editors...

We agree to share the code with you, I say us because Stargate already agreed to share our project for free, but I didn't ^^

Your project sounds very interesting.
But every new editor has to redo everything!

Our project is called Editors Factory, but the name is probably not good ...
It would make a tool to create object editors, for example to make a visual editor!

I'm proud of you, although I'm not testing your code, it looks promising!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:49 pm 
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Hi dear ChrisR
No, I did not give up. my biggest mistake in the alpha version was that I was releasing software development news earlier before the release of the environment.
So I had two major problems:
1 -Lack of thinking that there is a possibility of failure in any project. and I was really in some sections (such as containers control and ...) my mind was not working. :D
2- Being accused of showing off. (By some users)
so this time I tried not to publish news until I got the desired result. I do not want to say a slogan but I consider myself responsible for the enthusiasm I created in the users. the personal support of you and other users is a heavy responsibility for me. I hope I am not ashamed of you this time. and finally, if I have shown unprofessional behavior, I apologize to all interested users.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:05 pm 
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@ShadowStorm: Thank you very much for your generous comments and suggestions.
fortunately, my designer module has improved a lot and everything is fine except for the case (container controls and one or two minor items).If my current efforts fail, I will (probably) use a ready-made visual designer (.NET Core) for the project or something like this

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:24 pm 
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@Mohsen
There's no pressure to have at all.
The enthusiasm of the users is only a hope to see a new designer, more accomplished, modern, simple and user-friendly 8)

On a project I manage, unrelated and not linked to PB, Win10XPE
I could feel the weight of the responsibility with, over time, a certain notoriety beyond my real skills
I had to learn how to deal with it in order to remove all pressure and keep the pleasure of developing and sharing.

I hope you'll find a good solution for the containers...
Keep your enthusiasm and take the time you need. No rush.
When you wish and if you need, I am available for testing before publishing (If I see it, I don't get any mail notification from this forum!)

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Editors Factory is really interesting and I'm pleasantly surprised to see this collaborative work with stargate :)


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Mohsen wrote:
@ShadowStorm: Thank you very much for your generous comments and suggestions.
fortunately, my designer module has improved a lot and everything is fine except for the case (container controls and one or two minor items).If my current efforts fail, I will (probably) use a ready-made visual designer (.NET Core) for the project or something like this

Thanks again and good luck.

.NET Core ???

I am willing to share the code with you, but it is strictly forbidden to pass it on to anyone else!
I'm not worthy of you, I don't know how to do what you do, I can't do it, it's all thanks to Stargate, I'm nothing, I just helped, that's all!
I gave him instructions and motivation, he coded them all, so I'm not worthy of much credit, just so you know!

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ShadowStorm wrote:
.NET Core ???

I am willing to share the code with you, but it is strictly forbidden to pass it on to anyone else!
I'm not worthy of you, I don't know how to do what you do, I can't do it, it's all thanks to Stargate, I'm nothing, I just helped, that's all!
I gave him instructions and motivation, he coded them all, so I'm not worthy of much credit, just so you know!


Oh no I think the misunderstanding has been created. I'm sorry I did not mean to upset you. :oops: :(
If I was strong in coding, I would have released the third version of the software by now. :o
I once received a source code from Chris, but I could not connect the Chris engine to thousands of other lines of code in my project. so I had to do it myself and rewrite the design engine. because you said your job is not done yet, I thought I would replace it with a complete designer engine if the cost of changing the engine is imposed. but if you or Stargate can guide me for container controls management,I thank you. also, if this environment is successful, it will definitely be published for free, because I do not need the money for it, and I do it because of my interest. therefore, I welcome any help to accelerate the development of this environment.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:52 pm 
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Oh no I think the misunderstanding has been created. I'm sorry I did not mean to upset you. :oops: :(

Why would you say that?
There's no problem :wink:

I'm French, I don't speak English, I translate with an online software: https://www.deepl.com
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If I was strong in coding, I would have released the third version of the software by now. :o

I don't know how to do what Stargate did, it's far too complicated for me, to give you an idea, I wouldn't even know how to put handles on a gadget or object in a web, well and at worst maybe I could do it, but to do it with several gadgets or objects at the same time, and move and resize them, I would never know how to do it.

I can't do what you did!
That's why I asked Stargate to make this module for me, because now it's super easy to do everything!

We immediately saw the value in it!
And there's always room for improvement or additions!

This is just the very beginning!
But it's an extremely promising start and already widely usable in itself!

Stargate will add, when it has time, the management of pivots as well as item containers, this will make the module even more powerful!
Stargate at one point, had lost all motivation for the project and to give up, I don't know why, maybe it was my fault..., I was sad, he abandoned me !, so I left him alone even though I was sad :(

But I came back later, then I came back to kick his ass, I said to him (Humor, because I didn't really say that)
"Come on, man, you can cry later, we don't have time for that shit now, no more sleeping in, man, get to work and get it over with!"

Well he must be motivated, and it's not the money that motivates him, this Stargate brave never wanted money, and anyway I'd probably be ruined if he did, I can't imagine what it must cost !
I'm so grateful to him and he knows it!

(Humor) If he wants when it's over, I could give him my heart, then he'll get two ^^.

I have the utmost respect for Stargate, thank you very much !!!
It's all thanks to him !

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