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Vista 10 (Windows 10) Has NSA Back Doors and Front Doors

I'll bet he has an interesting life.

"Summary: Vista 10 to bring new ways for spies (and other crackers) to remotely access people’s computers and remotely modify the binary files on them (via Windows Update, which for most people cannot be disabled)"

I'm sure the "government" made them do it. No legitimate tech org with sane executives would create this mess intentionally.

A British review of the OS contains the following excerpt.

Average Joe will be happy with it. So long as he hasn't used Windows 7
29 Jul 2015 at 11:29, Trevor Pott
With less crap than before!

Windows 10 is a bit crap, but only a bit. Truth be told, it's actually quite a good operating system. I've been running it from the beginning of the open beta and it's taken everything I can throw at it.

To be perfectly clear: I'm not kind to operating systems. I hibernate my PCs. I fill the RAM up. I hibernate my PCs with the RAM full. I play games the hardware doesn't really like. I currently have more than 4,000 browser tabs open. Things like that.

Windows 10 takes everything and asks for more.

Windows 10 is faster on the same hardware than Windows 7. Noticeably so, especially if that hardware has an SSD. It's less frustrating than Windows 8 – well, mostly – and almost as usable as Windows 7.

There is more to this nice review available at this link.

[GPI]

When somebody write "Vista 10" I know there will be bullshit....

Of course MS works with the NSA, because they must. The same thing does Apple and Google.

[Keya]

im not having any privacy issues with Windows 10, but then it's not having any network access thanks to VirtualBox now i just hope VirtualBox doesnt get backdoored! being open-source that should make it harder?

[GPI]

being open-source that should make it harder?

Two Words: Heartbleed and Stagefright.

There is always the possibility of backdoors and/or security holes.

I don't think, that in Windows is a backdoor. Why should the nsa do such unsecury way to access the user-datas with the possibility of detection, when they become the data from cloud-services on a easy, silent way?

[Keya]

yes but i meant in my case where i use Virtualbox with the virtual network adapter disconnected, so there is no cloud access either im too scared to give it network access lol

[GPI]

But think about it. The NSA attack the infrastructure, not every home pc. Why? When the succeed to access the infrostructure, they become not only the data of one person, they become all datas. It is more effectively. And many infrastructures are hold by american firms. The NSA doesn't need to hack them, they force the firms to give access and be silent about it - the american law allow this. Of course an empolyee of the firm could talk, but think about it - i don't think, that every empolyee knows about this, only the higher positions. They have a good payed job and in many cases a family. Look at snowden, he has talked and lost nearly everything. I don't think, that he become a new job in the same position as he has had in the NSA. And what have had changed since he had talked? Nearly nothing. So most of the people say nothing.

A backdoor in windows could be detected by any person, who use windows - and trust me, there are thousands persons who search it - and they will publish this information. Also the necassary traffic could be detected. Something that the NSA don't want. They want to work in secret.

Also I haven't read about the backdoor in any serious publication - the snowden documents was very fast on every publication. So this article (and i think the compled linked side) is simple bullshit.

[Danilo]

Why should the nsa do such unsecury way to access the user-datas with the possibility of detection, when they become the data from cloud-services on a easy, silent way?

Simply because not everything is in the cloud, yet. Do you save your private stuff in the cloud?
NSA needs everything to control the world. Emails, internet traffic, telephone conversations is not enough (German: Echelon / English: Echelon)
They need direct access to all of your files, a key-logger to see everything you write (incl. passwords), access to Microphone and (Web-/TV-/Phone-/Tablet-)Camera, if possible.

[GPI]

Why should the nsa do such unsecury way to access the user-datas with the possibility of detection, when they become the data from cloud-services on a easy, silent way?

Simply because not everything is in the cloud, yet. Do you save your private stuff in the cloud?
NSA needs everything to control the world. Emails, internet traffic, telephone conversations is not enough (German: Echelon / English: Echelon)
They need direct access to all of your files, a key-logger to see everything you write (incl. passwords), access to Microphone and (Web-/TV-/Phone-/Tablet-)Camera, if possible.

The Problem with that: They can't hide the traffic, which this would generate. When they would do this, snowden wouldn't be necassary, because they would be detected by someone. This would be a stupid way to do this. It is easier to force dropbox, onedrive and so on to give them there datas. With Echolon they attack the communication-ways, not the end-point-device. When you want to work in secret, you don't attack public devices. I think, for the NSA it is more important, to which person you have contact.

I'm not saying, that the NSA don't want a full access to every device world wide - but they are not stupid. They will allways prefer a hidden way.

[heartbone]

When somebody write "Vista 10" I know there will be bullshit....

That's a prejudice that we do not share.

Of course MS works with the NSA, because they must. The same thing does Apple and Google.

That is quite a fascist environment you describe.
However, it provides no excuse for the violations of the US Constitution (supreme law) by the executive branch agencies.
A successful Nuremberg prosecution comes to mind when thinking about dealing with these appeasing corporate executives.

Why should the nsa do such unsecury way to access the user-datas with the possibility of detection, when they become the data from cloud-services on a easy, silent way?

Simply because not everything is in the cloud, yet. Do you save your private stuff in the cloud?
NSA needs everything to control the world. Emails, internet traffic, telephone conversations is not enough (German: Echelon / English: Echelon)
They need direct access to all of your files, a key-logger to see everything you write (incl. passwords), access to Microphone and (Web-/TV-/Phone-/Tablet-)Camera, if possible.

The Problem with that: They can't hide the traffic, which this would generate. When they would do this, snowden wouldn't be necassary, because they would be detected by someone. This would be a stupid way to do this.

They don't hide the traffic, it has been detected all over the networks.
GPI, you are posting as if you have decrypted the data being transferred between Vista 10 and the M$ data farms.

It is easier to force dropbox, onedrive and so on to give them there datas. With Echolon they attack the communication-ways, not the end-point-device. When you want to work in secret, you don't attack public devices. I think, for the NSA it is more important, to which person you have contact.

Yes this is another vector of the attack on privacy, but this vector is not contradictory with the user activity monitoring, rather it's a counterpart.

I'm not saying, that the NSA don't want a full access to every device world wide - but they are not stupid. They will allways prefer a hidden way.

So what are you saying?

None of this is by chance.
Our reactions are being studied.
And M$ knew exactly what they were doing when they skipped the 9.

[Zebuddi123]

It`s like I`ve already stated " Window 10 NSA_ sUB_vERT_ion_1984_owells" thats why its being pushed so hard even under DURESS (threats, violence, constraints, or other action used to coerce someone into doing something against their will or better judgement.) hence the "We will download it behind your back because we SAY IT`S F...... GOOD FOR YOU!!!!"

Zebuddi.

[GPI]

GPI, you are posting as if you have decrypted the data being transferred between Vista 10 and the M$ data farms.

Has you decrypted the data?

But that is the point. When you use for example OneDrive - your files are transfered to the MS servers - because you command this so. It is simpler for the NSA to get this files from MS than "hack" every PC world wide. Why was the actions from the NSA so long hidden? Because they are not stupid. They do things in way that is hidden from the normal user. When they hack a "normal" person, then direct and selected and not all at once. And they would prefer to hack your router...

I know, for the USA data securty is some strange illness, which only affect the EU. And I think, that we all don't really understand, what the consequences of the current development would be. I only know, that they are bad.

It think, we should talk serious about this. But when terms like "M$" or "Vista 10" are used, this is not serious. We need to talk much about it and with people which doesn't understand PCs at all. They only use this gadget without knowing was happend behind it. But what they understand is, that you hate MS - and then they don't beleave you.

Btw. what smart phone do you use?

[Kiffi]

When somebody write "Vista 10" I know there will be bullshit....

+1

[heartbone]

GPI, you are posting as if you have decrypted the data being transferred between Vista 10 and the M$ data farms.

Has you decrypted the data?

Why ask me on a public forum if I'm breaking the "law"? Of course I haven't!

But that is the point. When you use for example OneDrive - your files are transfered to the MS servers - because you command this so. It is simpler for the NSA to get this files from MS than "hack" every PC world wide. Why was the actions from the NSA so long hidden? Because they are not stupid. They do things in way that is hidden from the normal user. When they hack a "normal" person, then direct and selected and not all at once. And they would prefer to hack your router...

I know, for the USA data securty is some strange illness, which only affect the EU. And I think, that we all don't really understand, what the consequences of the current development would be. I only know, that they are bad.

It think, we should talk serious about this. But when terms like "M$" or "Vista 10" are used, this is not serious. We need to talk much about it and with people which doesn't understand PCs at all. They only use this gadget without knowing was happend behind it. But what they understand is, that you hate MS - and then they don't beleave you.

OK

O.T.

Btw. what smart phone do you use?

I'm not dumb enough to use one, and you do know that there are studies which indicate that the microwave fields emitted by cellphones lead to cancers, don't you? I prefer good health over whatever one may think that they gain by using a smartphone. And what does that have to do with Vista 10?

[Num3]

Well i went back to my *backup copy* of Win7 that was upgraded for free when I found out the hosts file is ignored for certain particular I.P.s, and even if you block them in your router, W10 fall's back to other I.P.s.

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USER: Please, let me choose when and how to update.
MS: You don't want automatic updates?
USER: No, i don't, and i want to control what I install.
MS: Sorry, read the EULA, you are forced to have them, even if you block them in your router ...

Wonder what E.U. will do on this, because American laws don't apply over here and I suspect W10 is a huge data collector for NSA.
Just imagine, everything that is typed by everyone, being sent back and data crunched in quasi real time!

Wonder what will happen if i write: "KILL OBAMA"

One sec, someone is at the door, BRB ...

[Danilo]

Wonder what E.U. will do on this

The European Union may have other problems right now.